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Teen With Gun Near Park To Be Charged
The 15-year-old was spotted on Route 31 with a rifle Christmas morning. Here's what happened.
A male teenager was taken into custody late Christmas morning after he was seen with a rifle near Wheeler Park, according to police and reader reports.
The initial address on the police call was in the 400 block of North First Street (Route 31) near Stevens Street in Geneva. The incident took place at about 11:35 a.m. after police received two calls regarding a male of undetermined age crouching behind a dark-colored sports utility vehicle.
While in custody, Geneva police determined that the teen was carrying an airsoft rifle, the Kane County Chronicle reports. Airsoft guns shoot plastic BBs and other projectiles, but many of them can appear similar to real firearms.
The teen, who is in town visiting family, was referred to a juvenile officer for a final disposition, the Chronicle's story said. Geneva Police Commander Julie Nash said the 15-year-old is expected to be charged in juvenile court with disorderly conduct, the Chicago Tribune reports.
St. Charles police assisted with the call.
Koshka
12:55 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
What did he do that was illegal?
Pam
9:03 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
It is unlawful in Illinois to shoot airsoft rifles toward streets, sidewalks, roads and other public areas, except for public target ranges.
TV
9:17 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Where did it say he was shooting the Airsoft toward a road? It just said he was holding the thing and crouching.
Pam
9:25 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
No...he wasn't shooting it. He was just taking a stroll around the park with it.
Why did they arrest and charge him?
TV
9:30 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
^That's my question, too -Pam. From the article I don't see what was illegal
Pam
9:39 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Call the police and ask them. Geez.
My guess is the kid admitted to shooting it.
mcf
2:58 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Who In Their Right Mind Would Walk In Publc With ANY Type Of Weapon These Days... Let Alone Crouch Behind A Vehicle?? And Think Its Ok??..... Someone Looking For Attention.....Thats Who!!!! ENFORCE THE STRICTEST OF PENALTIES!!!!
mcf
3:02 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
It Seems As If There Are ALOT Of Family Members On Here Trying To Defend This Inappropriate Behavior!! Probably Learned It From Them
DG
3:08 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
@mcf - not a family member - you are extolling the same Christmas spirit as the WORTHLESS Geneva Police Department. He is a kid with a toy gun outside playing compared to some kids that sat in front of a TV all day Christmas playing video games. You must work for the City.
Holy Moly!!!
1:13 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
That surely doesn't sound like a very fun Christmas.
Big Dave
3:16 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Koshka...I don't know...maybe crouching behind a vehicle with what appeared as a rifle could be construed as illegal or wrong. You do realize that seems a tad odd...right?
CJ
7:06 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
What did he do that was illegal? Odd doesn't equal illegal.
Martha Hanna
7:31 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
I don't think you can shoot a BB gun in a public park. Thank god someone saw the kid and called the cops. Illegal or not, something like this should be addressed and I am glad the neighbors reported it to the police.
TV
8:11 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
My guess - kid is visiting relatives in Geneva. Kid gets Airsoft gun for Christmas and goes outside to play with it. In a more sane age, the police would've told him not to shoot it in the park and sent him home
David
8:20 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
It is what it is. Hope police overreact.
TV
8:28 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Why would you hope they overreact? It's good the neighbors called, it's good the police came out - but once they realized this was a kid with an Airsoft gun and didn't pose any danger, what was the point of overreacting?
Pam
9:01 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
He was wearing camo and hiding. That alone is cause for suspicion.
How do you know he didn't pose any danger?
And they arrested him for disorderly conduct. So he broke the law.
TV
9:06 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Whoa! He was wearing camo? Throw him in the slammer!
Tom Brown
11:32 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Pam:
Got to agree with TV here. I don't see anything like disorderly conduct here, especially from a kid who's visiting from another part of the country where guns and hunting are more common.
...Again, unless there is A LOT MORE to this story.
Pam
12:23 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Tom--Did I say somewhere he should have been arrested?
I have not commented on whether or not he should have been charged with anything.
Just that his behavior was suspicious and should be checked out.
The police arrested him...not me.
Pam
9:16 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
While carrying what people thought was a rifle and hiding behind cars.
You wouldn't report that?
He must have been shooting it because they arrested him.
He was acting suspicous and he broke the law. The police did their job and arrested him.
Don't know why that upsets you. People get arrested everyday for far less offenses.
TV
9:23 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Yes, I'd report it - that's why I said "It's good the neighbors called, it's good the police came out"
You're saying 'he must've been doing something else (shooting) or they wouldn't have arrested him' I don't see any mention of that in any of the articles.
As far as I know he was arrested for suspicious crouching while wearing camo
Pam
9:33 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
"As far as I know he was arrested for suspicious crouching while wearing camo"....
Right. I'm sure that's exactly what he's charged with.
Barry Krumwiede
9:34 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Unless there is something else to the story, this is ridiculous. Warn the kid and send him home...lesson learned
Chad Baker
9:42 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Whatever happen to giving the kid a warning and taking him home to his parents. Do we really need to spend our limited tax dollars and resources to prosecute this? Also, why screw up the kids life because the kid got a BB gun for Christmas. What happen to the common sense of individual decisions rather than zero tolerance for everything!
jv
10:46 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Poor form by the Geneva Police Department. Laughing stock of all of Chicagoland.
steve todd
11:13 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Seriously ridiculous, let the kid play...these are TOYS!
DG
12:14 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Totally agree. Geneva Police Department over reacting is nothing new. How about if they would just take the kid home and wish the family a Merry Christmas - and let them know that some of the neighbors were concerned with not knowing the gun was a TOY. Maybe it's time for a change at the top of GPD.
Koshka
11:52 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Pam thinks dressing a certain and acting suspicious is illegal.
Ok. I have seen some guys in suits and ties working in banks who have been doing some really suspicious things who definitely should be arrested on that basis.
Pam
12:16 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Koska--I do?? Where did I say that?
Koshka
3:00 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Right here Pam. Right here:
Pam
9:33 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
"As far as I know he was arrested for suspicious crouching while wearing camo"....
Right. I'm sure that's exactly what he's charged with."
Pam
3:43 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Sorry, Koska---You might want to go back and re-read that.
I was quoting a statement from TV in the post right above me. Hence the quotes.
The "right" sentence is mine meant sarcastically toward TV's.
Do you understand now?
TV
4:02 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Pam jumped to the conclusion that the kids was shooting the thing.
Pam
4:13 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Why else would they arrest him?
Koshka
4:14 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
So. We are back to the beginning. Based on the information contained in the article I and others understand why the police were called and are glad they spoke with the kid from out of town.
However, and hang in with me Pam, based on the information in the article I do not understand what he did to be charged.
Pam is sure there is some good reason and some how seems to know what it is and asks those of us with questions to call the police.
I would prefer that the Geneva patch provide that information.
Pam. She knows all she needs to know.
Pam
4:29 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
They charged him with disorderly conduct which means they suspect him of breaking the law. Does there have to be a "good" reason to arrest someone for breaking the law?
And just who will decide that? You?
And if you are so concerned with why they arrested him, do call the police or send the editor of the Patch an e-mail asking them to clarify.
I only responded to you because you inaccurately attributed a quote to me.
Read a little more carefully next time and we shall never have the need to converse again.
TV
4:46 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
^Often times police officers will be frustrated with a suspect, but will have nothing to charge them with, so they will charge them with disorderly conduct. It happens.
Pam
5:11 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Are you suggested the more logical reason for arresting this kid was they were "frustrated" with him rather then for him admitting he was shooting the gun?
I don't think that is a legal reason to arrest someone.
TV
6:16 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
If he discharged a firearm in city limits, the charge would probably be "illegal discharge of a firearm". If the kid (or his parents) were angered that the police responded with what they felt was an unnecessary use of force - it may have escalated to a 'frustration arrest'.
Neither of us know, Pam. But the available info seems to indicate an overreaction on the part of the GPD
CJ
5:26 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Monique Garcia @ Chicago Trib reported on this "incident" yesterday (Christmas Day) as well and it was mentioned on WGN news this morning. Yet, here we are all wondering what really happened and why was this person charged with Disorderly? Also, does this news article say anything about camo? I trust the editor of the Patch will be doing a follow up for all of his readers.
Pam
5:33 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
The Trib article reported he was wearing camo.
Koshka
5:53 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
I fairly confident that other readers have encountered Pam before and understand why I am saying, " I am sure you are right Pam and I apologize for disagreeing. Am I free to go now."
Pam
5:58 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Don't be twisting things.
You tried to call me out on something I did not say and I called you out on that, not for disagreeing.
Lets make that clear.
Koshka
6:13 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Good Lord.
Pam
6:37 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
TV@ I have never heard of a "frustration" arrest.
If the Geneva police did arrest him with no cause, the kid's lawyer will get the charges dismissed.
TV
7:02 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Agreed. Just too bad he has to get a lawyer and we have to pay to try to prosecute a kid with a plastic toy.
Neighbors: Good for you for calling - it looked suspicious
Police: Good for showing up and assessing the situation
As for the arrest, seems a little ridiculous to me.
Ted Toburen
10:17 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Wow...amazing discussion. TV is right. Suspicious behavior does not constitute a crime, but it does warrant an investigation. Once the situation was assessed, the kid should have been advised of the potential confusion and problems this could have caused, then wished Merry Chrstmas and sent home...not prosecuted...unless there is more to this story than our fearless reporter has communicated. But Nagel never makes mistakes...So Free the Geneva Christmas Pop Gun Bandit!!!
Susan Sayers
6:53 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Unfortunately, in today's world ~ we need to be proactive. If I had seen this teen in camouflage clothing (crouched behind a vehicle) -- I would have been alarmed. I am surprised that no adult (or the teen for that matter) wouldn't have "expected" that maybe someone would be alarmed in seeing ANYONE who is dressed in "camo" clothing and carrying a gun. If he were out in the middle of the woods during shooting season, it would be acceptable.
Tell me ~ if I were to go out dressed in a black cloak with a rifle -- and I hid behind a tree, would you not find me to be suspicious???
Seriously.
Now whether or not the child should have been charged is not for me to judge. I don't know what took place, nor do I feel the right to judge the police. They have to make the best decisions based on what takes place at the scene. We don't know all the facts. Police are often criticized for their decisions, but I'm not sure that any of us would make the right decision every day, at every call. It is a very difficult job.
Personally, I'd rather have the police "err on the side of caution," rather than to readily dismiss "unusual" behavior.
I personally support and honor our police. I'm glad I don't walk in their shoes ........ I would be arrested (for arresting all the people) who beep at my lousy driving! LOL
P.S. And I didn't hit that mailbox...... = )
Fozzie Dabear
4:29 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
There are kids killed every year for carrying 'toy' guns that look so much like real ones that cops think they are about to get shot. Although this boy might not have realized that, he is lucky to be alive. And we are lucky to have careful police. Ok so after the police of two cities were called out and had to walk into some situation that they saw as being very dangerous - at least until the truth was known - the boy has to tell it to the judge. Perhaps it isn't the best outcome but it is by no means the worst either.