That's OK. I'm in, so your vote is cancelled.

They can get theirs. They just shouldn't get mine.

^Me too, the "Uncle Joe" Biden vs. Ryan debate has a lot of comedic potential.
But let's face it, Illinois is such a corrupt, union-run mess that BO will carry it no matter what.

Mitotero if you had seen the documentary you would know it is not an attack piece. Go see the movie then post your impression.

Why wouldn't they?

And why would anyone vote for a vulture capitalist who took great pleasure in putting folks out of work?

Blaming Bush is the DemoRATS excuse. Sorry, Oblamer has to go. He robbed Medicare of 716 BILLION dollars to fund his socialist so-called healthcare program, Obummer Care. How narcissitic is it for a President to name a robbery program after himself? America and Americans should be ashamed of themselves for voting for his fraud and the Con-Man-in Chief that he is.

G. Ryan. apparently you spend so much mental energy coming up with your cutesy "play on words" titles that you have little left for rational thought, First of all Oblamer called the legislation he sponsored The Affordable Health Care Act. It was was your pals in Congress the NOPublicans who tagged it with the name "Obamacare" And you need to brush up on the history of Medicare. http://www.understandingmymedicare.com/history-of-medicare.asp. It was created by DemoRat Lyndon Johnson in 1965 as an ammendment to the Social Security Act created under the administration of Demorat Frankilin D. Roosevelt. Getting the theme here G? You can't get an already more "socialist" system than the government run programs of Social Security and Medicare. But my guess is your probably getting along in years now and you feel you can benefit from such a system so its now "get the governments hands off my government controlled taxpayer financed Social Security and Medicaire"... Ah the Irony!

G. Ryan, Your attempt to hang the blame for the name "Obamacare" on the president was effectively (and corrrectly) debunked by James Parnell. It was intended to keep reminding people of whom to blame for it. The Obama campaign smartly decided to go along with it, since there was little or no chance of undoing it anyway.

Now as to your second mistake. The $716 Billion that the president proposes to remove "from" Medicare was actually a REDUCTION in costs and overcharges that was found. Not one cent was removed from anyone's benefits. A more interesting fact is that Paul Ryan (I trust that you recognize him as Gov. Romney's VP running mate) also found the same $716 Billion in cost savings in his plan. After being named to the GOP ticket, he changed his mind on that, since it didn't fit Romney's plans.

George Ryan, how ya doin'? Didn't you mean Demo-c-RATS? Do you really believe the Narcissist-in-Chief named his program after himself? You haven't been listening to your fellow RepubliCANTs. You really need to get out more often!

Mr. Parnell...Let the truth be told. Pres. Oblamer ROBBED Medicare to FUND the socialist healthcare agenda of his ObummerCare. Cutesy or not it is a FACT. Citing to brush up on my history does not change the status of this transaction. And guess what the Affordable Health Care Act is not affordable as it is nothing but a Huge TAX which Demorats thrive on. Another government rip-off sponsored program.

I saw it last night and I agree. Now I know who Barack Obama is and what makes him tick. Go with an open mind. It definitely was not what I was expecting the movie to be about.

Bob, thank you. I wonder now if you see how Anti-American he really is and his agenda is to destroy this great nation.

Michael Moore? He has zero credibility and he admitted that the movies were fiction but he cashed in on them with millions in revenue. Wonder if he paid taxes on the money?

As a matter of fact Mr. Parnell I did. I suppose that blows your acrimonious argument.

So what is your point Mr. Parnell with all the tax subsized programs? And If you recall your history Demorat Johnson's intent was to implement the Social Security program for a short term solution.The 2016 Obummer movie starring Barry Sotero or is it Barack Obama? was depicted from his book which is straight from the Con-Man himself. Perhaps you should go see the movie to get out of your brainwashed mode he has put alot of you Americans in. I heard he is now asking for 4 more years to do some more damage. HOPE he doesn't have to CHANGE his teleprompter if he prevails.

There is a non partisan site called factcheck.org. They have ruled that the claim of the $716 billion theft from Medicare is bogus. You might find this website interesting, and it certainly would be educational for you.

And Mitotero the principle of the issue is this Nation cannot afford ObummerCare or Obummer. Within this decade the US will be at 26 trillion in DEBT. Washington spends 3.8 trillion annually and collects 2.5 trillion in taxes which leaves a 1.3 trillion deficit. Will not be long America will collapse just like Greece. It will no longer sustain itself just like the Geneva School District. And the point I am making is if Obuzzard loved this country he would not allow his ObummerCare to manifest because there is no financial foundation to support it. Illinois and the US are broke. And he had his chance and what did he do? He keeps spending, spending and spending just lke the Spenders of the School District. So Americans can continue to divide and not unite. This is not going to go away. We are just prolonging the inevitable.

I agree Sal. There are so many hidden earmarks in that healthcare bill which was modeled by Nancy Pelosi. Americans need to wake up but they continue to be in this brainwashed trance that Barry Sotero is the Messiah who has come to save them. All he is doing is improving his GOLF swing!

The "job problem" isn't going to go away. Here's why... 1. For us to really create jobs, we'd have to lower our standard of living to that of China's. 2. The digital age has brought incredible automation opportunities to manufacturing. Robotics, CAD/CAM, additive manufacturing, sensor and relay technology and a raft of other advancements have been made user friendly and cheap enough for the average factory to take advantage of. On the retail end, the internet is eliminating retail jobs by the thousands. That's all great for convenience, quality, productivity and the bottom line, but not so good for creating (now needless) employment. This is not going to be solved politically. The answer? Employ people to do nothing? Union rules? I hope not. What I hope is that more entrepreneurs create more products and companies for filling a lot of needs society has. Electric cars? Cleaner power plants? Plenty of new tech opportunities for those with courage and talent.

Here's a dilema...Elon Musk, is a contemporary hero of mine (Space-X, Tesla). His new Model S will be sold out of "stores", like Apple Stores, rather than "dealerships"....Job killer or creator? I'm sure the car dealers will be up in arms about that if he succeeds in selling a lot of pure-electric, zero emissions cars. I drove one for 20 minutes and will never look at another gasoline car the same again...They're phenomenal. Lots of new opportunity and problems.

"Greedy millionaires?" What about your Hollywierd millionaires and sports figures? Corporation's employ Americans without them there are no jobs. Which with Obummer(Barry Sotero) in office there has been no jobs. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan make a better team then Bitter Biden and Osama Bin Lieing Obama. He had his chance and he blew it. He made this economy and country worse.

What about greedy Wall Street millionaires?

Would you be content if we stood everyone who has a net worth of a million dollars or more against the wall and shot them -- lacking a guillotine as we do? The Communist example is so much more efficient.

Yes! Greedy Millionaires! Watching the video of Romney speaking in May and the intonation in his voice when he said of the 47% that they feel "entitled to food" he just has the worst disdain and disgust in his voice. It made my skin crawl. It makes me laugh when above comments mention "socialized medicine". You have no idea what you are talking about! The administration and healthcare industry agreed to lower the cost of healthcare. The providers agreed to lower reimbursements because they know that they will have more subscribers...sound familiar? That's exactly what your PPO plan does. This is just on a much broader scale which will bring costs down even more. Believe me, I would have loved single payer, but this was a "compromise" something republicans don't understand. As far as the mandate, that was a republican idea...until it was in the bill, then they vilified it.
This election will go to President Obama, Thank God. With so many social justice issues hanging in the balance it would be a travesty for this country to have more right wing ideologues on the court.

Why did Obama give hundreds of billions to the banks that ruined the economy in the first place? We should have bailed out the families, not the banks who are STILL stealing their homes.

Romney was a smooth speaker (=rehearsed) compared to Obama, but I still wanted to kick him in the teeth. My vote is with Obama...AGAIN.

Governor Romney...hands down...he is so comfortable debating. Governor Romney was assertive and organized....I am so proud. Thank you

Becky - actually, he wasn't just better rehearsed. He was just better. Obama performed poorly. If I have to hear him trot his grandmother out one more time for a debate "feel good" point my heads going to explode.

Isn't it funny how people's inner biases have them in blinders for their whole life? Most people have a million opinions and thoughts, most of which are unsubstantiated and/or completely invalid.

For instance, riddle me this. Obama attacked Romney over education and teachers multiple times, and Mass is ranked #1. I felt like I was taking stupid pills watching it. That said, at the end of the debate people were posting about how Romney would negatively impact education. That isn't realistic is it? No - but it triggered some feelings inside when their candidate spoke those words so now they are going to run around spewing them out.

Regardless of which... The world isn't going to end in the next four years whoever gets elected. That said, Karl Marx was wrong. Religion isn't the opiate of the masses. Democracy and free handouts are.

Thanks G - I felt I'd better respond as that comment made me a touch uneasy.

Anyways, you have a good night!

You are welcome Justin. That comment didn't reasonate with me either. As it was violent, unpatriotic and not necessary. Take care. Gob Bless you and America.

Jim, no matter how hard you "think" about what you saw and try to spin, we watched the same thing you did. In the words on Dennis Miller "Obama better hope a Kicked A$$ is covered under Obamacare." But let's move.

Part Two...Joe Eats His Shoe...
Vice Presidential Debates
Thursday, Oct 11th 8:00 PM. (CDST)

On a side note, I've talked to several people recently that have had family members leaving the US because they don't agree with its course of action in the past 15 - 20 years.

Do you know of anybody that has sold US assets and left the country? Granted, there is still a fair amount of opportunity in the country (for the time being) so I'm not sure if its the appropriate time for such a venture... But it was interesting in that I heard it from multiple people at around the same point in time.

So it's all about style for you? Sounds like high school.

Katherine - I am not sure where that ties into any part of the discussion.

It does appear a bit awkward that you would follow up your earlier post on civility with a snide comment that had little to do with anything I've said. Should I discount your opinion based on that? ;)

Lisa, what about the environment, education, woman's health and pay rights, and helping the neediest among us? Do you believe a woman should go to jail for terminating a pregnancy that was caused by rape or incest. Many of your Republican "friends" do. Lotsa stuff to consider.
DId you know that the reason union folk's pensions seem rather generous is because they bargained down their salaries?
What GEA are you referring to?

That's rather absurd. "Many of your republican friends do". That comment is off base in pretty much every way.

Instead of spreading incredible lies based on a few stereotypes that you perpetuate to feed your own belief system... Why don't you just tell a first time voter "good job".

FYI, a few stupid comments made by politicians don't describe everybody in a party. If they did, both sides and inbetween would be a mess.

Lisa. - good job on voting. Keep at it. For the rest of your life people will try and get you to bend to their view points. Peer pressure is not a reason to vote for a candidate. Have a great week!

All I can say is lol. Good day.