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UPDATE: Geneva Teachers Union Posts Its 'Final Offer'
The Geneva Education Association seeks to keep step and lane increases as well as 1 percent increases the first two years of a three-year contract. It agrees to a freeze for half the third year.
The Geneva Education Association has posted its "final offer" on its website, gea4students.org.
In terms of salary, the final offer keeps all step and lane pay increases and seeks an additional 1 percent for the first and second years of a three-year contract. In the third year, the GEA is agreeing to a half-year salary freeze and the return of step and lane increases for the second half of the year.
Under the present contract, a teacher gets an automatic salary "step" increase of 2.65 percent each year, School Board President Mark Grosso said.
In addition to that, a teacher gets a lane increase every time he or she achieves a higher education level. Those increases vary according to a pre-set chart, but Grosso estimated that they average to another 2.65 percent bump for each lane of advancement.
There are nine lanes leading up to a doctorate degree, starting from bachelor's degree to BA plus eight course credits to BA plus 16 course credits, and so on.
Under the conditions of the GEA's final offer, it would common for a teacher to receive a 6.3 percent salary increase in the course of a year: 2.65 percent for the "step," 2.65 percent for the "lane" and the additional 1 percent cost-of-living increase.
At Monday night's School Board meeting, Grosso said the district is not likely to release its "final offer" until it is required on Friday.
"We're going to continue to honor the confidentiality agreement," he said.
The School Board and GEA are scheduled to meet Tuesday for another round of talks.
On its website, the GEA said its primary concern is that the district is asking for a "hard freeze" of salaries, including the step and lane payments.
"The teachers know that accepting (a hard freeze) would be detrimental to the long-term health of the educational environment in District 304, because of the inability to attract and retain true excellence in the teaching ranks over the coming years," the GEA said on the website's homepage.
Speakers on all sides of the issue were passionate in their comments Monday night.
Chuck Miles, the husband of a District 304 speech pathologist, said "$780,000 could push this district to a strike." He said that's the amount it would cost per year District 304 if it were to agree to the GEA's final offer.
"A quote in yesterday's Chicago Tribune from a retired teacher in Highland Park said it took that district 10 years to recover from that strike," Miles said. "Is that in the best interest of the community? As a board member, do you want that to be your legacy? Or do you want your legacy to be the board that was willing to allow this district to be successful long-term? Settle this contract now. Allow our teachers to fully focus on teaching, and remove the divisiveness this situation has created. Let the board get back to finding ways to further improve our schools."
Linda Johnson suggested the the GEA was following in lockstep to instructions from the statewide teachers union, the Illinois Education Association.
"This contract issue will get resolved one way or the other, but at what cost?" she asked. "At one of the previous School Board meetings a parent talked about the difference between price and value. What is the value of the relationship I spoke about tonight? Is it not worth a one-year pay freeze? Wouldn't it be something if, rather than wearing solidarity T-shirts, dividing our community, the teachers in our community wore T-shirts standing up to an organization that doesn't understand what's so great about our schools? I would like to thank the board for continuing to negotiate in good faith on this issue, and I hope that we can come to some kind of compromise.
TaxFACTS co-founder Bob McQuillan said that if District 304's tax levy were to go up by 1.5 percent, the property increase for the owner of a $315,000 home would be $443. If the full 3 percent levy increase is adopted, the same resident could expect to see $574 property tax increase in 2013.
McQuillan also suggested that, if teachers' starting salaries aren't competitive, that issue can and should be addressed in the contract negotiations.
"There's an easy answer to attract excellent new teachers, and that is to increase the salaries for new teachers, but not all teachers," he said.
The following is the "final offer" presented on the GEA website:
Geneva Education Association Posted Final Offer October 19, 2012
The professional educators of the Geneva Education Association (GEA) have been negotiating with the school board since February 2012, to reach an agreement that meets the needs of the school district, students, parents, community members and professional teachers of Geneva Unit School District 304.
We are proud that we are part of a team of school board members, parents, teachers and community leaders that has built a high quality school district that is consistently recognized for its excellence.
From the beginning, our interest in these negotiations has remained consistent. We want to maintain a professional climate that attracts and retains quality teachers who are free to teach, who are dedicated and respected, and who make Geneva a “destination district” for their entire professional teaching careers.
With the above in mind, we share the following proposal.
SALARY
The GEA proposes a three-year agreement. The following is proposed:
2012/2013 Certified Staff will be given step and lane movement with an addition of 1% to the salary schedule.
2013/2014 Certified staff will be given step and lane movement with an addition of 1% to the salary schedule.
2014/2015 Certified staff will take a pay freeze for the first half of the year. In the second half of the year certified staff will be given step and lane movement.
Rationale: The GEA contends that this proposal will achieve the goal of making the base salary more competitive with surrounding districts (Geneva base salary is lower than the large majority of districts in the area) while continuing to allow the board the flexibility to abate money to Geneva taxpayers. This proposal will also allow the district to continue to carry a reserve fund.Our district has a reserve fund of more than $30 million. A portion of this money could, and, we believe, should be used for a time like this in which the district is paying off debt from building schools and attempting to maintain a competitive level of professional compensation and working conditions with surrounding districts.
The heart of the current negotiation troubles lie in the request of the school board for a hard salary freeze. A hard salary freeze would result in no changes in compensation for the current school year. It would not give step or lane movement. It would not allow teachers completing graduate degrees and coursework the financial recognition they were promised when they started those degrees. After considering the financial points listed above, the GEA cannot support the idea of a full year hard freeze in the coming agreement.
Cost :
INSURANCE
2012/2013 - $1,026,421 equates to increased cost on the salary schedule.
2013/2014 - $612,257 equates to increased cost on the salary schedule.
2014/2015 - $260,993 equates to increased cost on the salary schedule.
The union has proposed to maintain the current structure of the insurance plan and benefits that are outlined in the expired contract except for the following: (page 30)
The following schedule represents the percentage of premium costs which will be paid by the District on behalf of the teacher should insurance coverage be requested through the term of this agreement.
Single Coverage:
100% Health/Medical (2012-2013 – HMO or PPO 750 or partial premium for PPO 400)
95% Health/Medical (2013 – 2014 - HMO or PPO 750 or partial premium for PPO 400)
95% Health Medical (2014 – 2015 - HMO or PPO 750 or partial premium for PPO 400)
Rationale: The GEA believes that with the rising costs of health insurance and the current economic status, that singles should begin contributing to their health insurance premium. This will alleviate some cost for the BOE.
Cost: There will be no additional costs to the BOE for this proposal. Instead it would save the BOE:
2013 – 2014 = $12,070
2014 – 2015 = $18,100
RETIREMENT
The GEA has proposed to maintain the current structure of the retirement plan and benefits that are outlined in the expired contract except for the following:
Non-ERO Program This program is available for those retiring teachers who do not opt for, or do not qualify, for the ERO:
1. Teachers can participate in this program for up to four years. In the first three (3) years of participation, a teacher’s salary will increase by 6% based on the teacher’s prior year placement on the salary schedule. In the subsequent year, a teacher’s salary will increase based on the previous year’s negotiated average salary increase.
Rationale: Previous contracts have allowed a one year 6% salary increase for teachers that notified the district of their intent to retire four years in advance of retirement date. Most comparable districts allow 4 years of the 6% salary increase. We believe that the district should reward the teachers that have contributed to the educational excellence of our district by increasing the non-ERO retirement salary increase program from one year to three years. There is an initial increased cost to the district with the proposed change. However, in a large majority of cases the cost to the district is made up and a savings is realized by the district in the first year that the teacher retires and is replaced.
Post-Retirement Insurance Benefit
In addition, subject to the limitation described in the paragraph B.2 above, and as prescribed in the chart below, an amount equal to a percentage of a retiring teacher’s final year’s teaching salary will be paid to the Teachers Retirement Insurance Program (TRIP) or may be invested in a 403B account or an account of the retiree’s choice subject to applicable federal and state taxes, no earlier than September 1 in the year of retirement and no later than January 15 in the year immediately following retirement.
Completed Years of Geneva Service at the Time of Retirement
Fifteen (15), but not less than twenty (20) completed years of service at the time of retirement = 10% maximum available for health insurance purposes (an amount equal to a percent of the final year teaching salary)
Twenty (20), but less than twenty-five (25) = 15%
Twenty-five (25) or more = 20%
Rationale: The BOE has proposed to lessen the post-retirement insurance benefit. We believe that our retirees deserve this benefit with the percentages of final year teaching salaries at the same amount as in the now expired agreement.
SICK LEAVE
The GEA has proposed to maintain the current structure of the sick leave benefit that is outlined in the expired contract except for the following.
Each teacher will receive sick leave benefits according to the amount of sick days they have accumulated. See Chart below. Sick days may be used for personal illness, or illness or death in the household of the teacher’s residence or in the immediate family. Immediate family shall include parents, spouse, brothers, sisters, children (including step-children), grandparents, grandchildren, parent-in-law, brother/sister- in-law and legal guardian. Teachers may accumulate an unlimited amount of unused sick days.
Rationale: By increasing the amount of sick leave based off the number of accumulated sick days, we believe that teachers will be rewarded for their excellent attendance. This provides two benefits. First, there is a savings to the district with a decreased use of substitute teachers. Second, it provides an additional option to speed the retirement of teachers near the end of their careers. Teachers have the option of using additional sick days to retire earlier. In a large majority of cases, this provides a financial savings to the district (see retirement).
1 – 100 days (accumulated sick days) = 12 days (maximum amount of sick days per year at full pay)
101 – 150 days = 15 days
151 – 200 days = 20 days
TUITION REIMBURSEMENT
The following is proposed:
2012/2013 Reduce to $85,500. Reimburse courses in approved degree programs at a rate of 50%.
2013/2014 Reduce to $75,000. Reimburse courses in approved degree programs at a rate of 50%.
2014/2015 Reduce to $50,000. Reimburse courses in approved degree programs at a rate of 50%.
Rationale: It is important that certified staff continue to have the opportunity to receive financial assistance in the pursuit of a graduate degree. The experience from this course work is one of the primary opportunities for staff to better their teaching, and the small investment in this is returned to students many times over. The reduction in funding is simply an acknowledgement of the current economic conditions.
EXTENDED DAY
This topic was brought to the table by the Board of Education. The GEA has not received a formal proposal from the Board and, therefore, has no response or counter proposal.
GEA RELEASE TIME
Continue unchanged from the 2009-2012 contract.
Rationale: The value of this release time for the GEA President is great given the limited opportunities for communication between the staff and the administration. This release time manifests itself through resolution of conflicts between the staff and the administration before they would result in grievances being filed. Avoidance of grievances is a positive both for the health of the staff/administrator relationship and for the reduced consultation with lawyers retained by the district.
Cost: There is no increase in cost to continue unchanged from current contract.
PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE
The board proposed increasing the number of school days required between the time the administrator becomes aware of a potential offense and when the administrator informs the teacher. The GEA agrees to change from two (2) days to four (4) days.
The board proposed increasing the amount of time material related to disciplinary action or fact finding can remain in a teacher’s personnel file. The GEA agrees to change from two (2) years to four (4) years.
Rationale: The GEA is willing to agree to these changes.
SUPERVISION
The following Supervision language is proposed:
Supervision is defined as non-instructional monitoring of students for the purpose of ensuring their safety and proper behavior. All teachers are responsible for student supervision in the general vicinity of their classroom. If a teacher has students entering their classroom during passing periods the teacher must remain in view of the classroom during those periods, when circumstances permit.
A non-precedential exception to this definition of supervision is Math Lab at the Middle School level. In place of a supervision period, math teachers will provide small group remedial instruction for students below grade level in math. Math Lab will be structured in the following way for the math teacher: 50% of the class periods will be reserved for instruction of the Math Lab program and 50% of the class periods will be reserved for plan time.
Rationale: The GEA has been a willing partner in piloting ideas like Math Lab that provide educational supports to students in need while still maintaining a manageable teaching load for staff. The clarification of the supervision definition is meant to make clear the expectations of staff in these settings.
SPECIAL EDUCATION
Services to be Made Available for Serving Special Education Students The following additions are proposed:
Annual Review Preparation Time
At the elementary & middle school level two (2) days of release time, and at the high school five (5) days of release time will be provided to the resource teachers during the year to complete paperwork for annual reviews.
Rationale: Special Education Teachers have hours and hours of paperwork that needs to be done for annual reviews. At the high school level there are additional pages that are required related to the student’s plan for post-high school placement. This gives them the time needed to complete this paperwork within the timeframe required.
Middle School Resource Study Hall
The middle school resource study hall is considered an instructional period in the resource teacher’s schedule.
Rationale: This study hall period is the time when special education teachers teach their students’ the skills they need to succeed in their academic classes. It is their most intense teaching of the day and is when they complete many of the teaching minutes required by the students’ Individual Education Plans (IEPs). It is not a supervision period as it is currently classified.
Elementary Resource FTE Workload Formula:
A full time resource teacher (1 FTE) will have a maximum caseload of 20 total IEP students. Since each of those students requires about 10% of their time for meetings, collaboration, & modifying curriculum, and with the additional responsibility of Problem Solving Team meetings requiring another 5%, that number will automatically be reduced by 3 (15% of total) thereby reducing the total maximum caseload to 17.
Resource Workload Committee
1. A committee will be formed which will include the special education coordinator, a principal from each level, resource teachers from each school, the superintendent or designee, and the association president or designee. The purpose of this committee is to do an evaluation of our process for determining the workload of the resource teacher. In addition the committee will study the impact RtI and the problem solving process is having on the abilities of our staff to carry out their duties and meet the needs of the students on their caseloads. The committee will look for ways to streamline that problem solving process so it lessens that impact.
2. This committee will convene in the fall of the 2012/13 school year and will be a Level 1 committee, which will be in place for 2 years. It will be co-chaired by the Director of Student Services and a teacher appointed by the association. In the spring of 2014, the committee will complete a report, which will make recommendations for a process for determining resource workload as well as changes to the problem solving process. These recommendations must be approved by the superintendent and the association president and will then be presented to the Board of Education.
Rationale: With the implementation of Response to Intervention (RtI), the number of meetings has drastically increased for Special Education Resource teachers. This is impacting the amount of time they can devote to the IEP students they serve. Since many of those students require a significant amount of minutes of instruction per week, the Resource teachers are finding that their time to prepare for instruction is disappearing. By allotting them 15% of their caseload for meetings their overall workload will be more manageable.
Social Work/Counseling Committee
1. A committee will be formed which will include the Director of Student Services, a principal from each level, one or two social workers from each level, counselors from the high school and the middle school level, the superintendent or designee, and the association president or designee. The purpose of this committee is to evaluate our process for handling social-emotional issues at all levels, especially those of an emergency nature, including the roles & procedures we currently use, the job descriptions we currently have in place, the need for possible professional development in this area, and the need for additional social work or counseling staff. The role of social work and counseling in the problem solving process will also be reviewed.
2. This committee will convene in the fall of the 2012/13 school year and will be a Level 1 committee, which will be in place for 2 years. It will be co-chaired by the Director of Student Services and a teacher/social worker/counselor appointed by the association. In the spring of 2014, the committee will complete a report, which will make recommendations for changes to our social work/counseling procedures and work load. These recommendations must be approved by the superintendent and the association president and will then be presented to the Board of Education.
Rationale: With the implementation of Response to Intervention (RtI), the amount of meetings has drastically increased for Social Workers as well. This is impacting the amount of time they can devote to the IEP students they serve and to serve the entire school population. This is of special concern with relation to the emergency situations which social workers must deal with on an irregular but frequent basis.
FAIR SHARE
The Geneva Education Association has proposed fair share. Unions are required by law to represent all members of the bargaining unit regardless of their membership in the union. Fair share will, as the name implies, require all benefactors of the collective bargaining agreement to help pay for it.
Rationale: The Geneva Education Association has presented this to the Board of Education in previous contract negotiations. This is a widely accepted practice in most school districts. Fair share is an avenue for teachers who want to contribute to the operating costs of the bargaining unit but, for personal reasons don’t belong to the union. This has been requested by Geneva teachers that have a personal / moral objection to joining the union because it allows them to contribute their “fair share” to the collective bargaining agreement costs without joining the union.
Cost: There is no cost associated with this change to the collective bargaining agreement.
INVOLUNTARY TRANSFERS
The Geneva Education Association has proposed the addition of the following language to the collective bargaining agreement:
Notification of Assignment
A teacher shall be given written notice of any intended change of his/her assignments for the forthcoming school year no later than the last day of the current school year. Such notice shall include location(s), work schedule, and job assignment. If, subsequent to the current school year, circumstances require any changes in teacher instructional assignments, the affected teacher(s) shall be notified within two (2) business days via email and U.S. Mail.
Involuntary Transfers
The Board reserves the right to make involuntary transfers for the general welfare of the District. An involuntary transfer is the assignment of a teacher, without his/her consent, to a department, grade level, or school different from that teacher’s present assignment.
Involuntary transfer criteria to be used by the Board includes but is not limited to the following: certification; teaching experience; leadership ability; working relationships with colleagues; established retirement date; prior involuntary transfers; and seniority.
When an involuntary transfer is being contemplated for a reason not tied to fluctuating enrollment, other avenues for resolving the problem will be exhausted before such a transfer will occur, if applicable.
When an involuntary transfer is determined necessary by the Board the following process shall occur:
Step 1: The building administrator or supervisor shall meet with the teacher (before any decisions have been finalized) and inform the teacher that an involuntary transfer is likely. Both the teacher and the building administrator or supervisor shall have a right to be accompanied by a representative. At that time, the teacher may give input and ask questions. Additionally, the teacher will have three (3) school days after that initial meeting to submit more input and/or express concerns or objections in writing to the building administrator. In the event that a grade level/school change is necessary due to fluctuating enrollment at the elementary level, a preference questionnaire will be given to each of the teachers and after completion submitted to the Assistant Superintendent-Human Resources.
Step 2: If, after Step 1 is completed, the building administrator or supervisor determines that the teacher is to be transferred, the teacher shall be advised of that determination in writing.
Step 3: If the teacher objects to the determination of the building administrator or supervisor, he or she may request a meeting in writing with the Superintendent or his/her designee. The Superintendent or his/her designee shall conduct that meeting within three (3) school days of the request. Both the teacher and the Superintendent or his/her designee shall have a mutual right to be accompanied by one person at this meeting.
Step 4: The Superintendent or his/her designee shall notify the teacher of his or her final decision regarding the transfer of the teacher. In the event that the Superintendent or his/her designee determines that the teacher shall be transferred, the Superintendent or his/her designee will provide the teacher with a letter of assignment within three (3) school days of that meeting.
Step 5: In the event that after an involuntary transfer decision has been made, a vacancy occurs in the building, grade level, department where a teacher is being transferred from, the affected teacher may be given the opportunity to transfer back to the building, pending administrative approval.
It is expressly agreed that, while the Administration’s failure to participate in any step of the involuntary transfer process, as set forth above, may be subject to the grievance/arbitration process, in no event shall any decision made by an administrator or Superintendent regarding the disposition of the involuntary transfer be subject to the grievance/arbitration procedure unless the decision was arbitrary or capricious.
Rationale: Geneva teachers recognize the administration’s need to move teachers when appropriate. Currently there is no contract language to address this issue. There is no transparency under the current system and there is a perception that the administration can and will move teachers for a variety of reasons. The Geneva Education Association recognizes the need to involuntarily transfer teachers when enrollment fluctuations change the total number of teachers necessary at a given grade level. The proposed language creates a fair protocol for the transfer of teachers when it is necessary and does not inhibit the discretion of the administration when fluctuating enrollment requires teacher transfer.
Cost: There is no cost associated with this change to the collective bargaining agreement.
SECURITY CAMERAS
The Geneva Education Association has proposed the addition of the following language to the collective bargaining agreement:
The purpose and use of security cameras is to monitor illegal activity or activity that violates the student handbook, unauthorized access to restricted areas, and unauthorized removal of personal and/or District property or damage to property.
The purpose of security cameras is not to observe or evaluate the performance of a teacher or to monitor his/her behavior or conduct.
Security cameras will only be used in school common areas including but not limited to hallways, building entrances, administrative offices, parking lots, grounds, and cafeterias. Security cameras will not be used to film instruction and no regular teaching areas such as classrooms will be under surveillance. A teacher who wishes to conduct a class in an area where a security camera is located can inform an administrator of the time and duration of the class so that the camera will be turned off for the duration of that class. Security cameras will not be used to observe a teacher’s performance or be used in the teacher evaluation process.
Access to the data from security cameras may be viewed by appropriate District personnel in connection with investigations of suspected illegal activity or for security reasons. Access to data involving teachers will be limited to appropriate District personnel or school attorneys, police liaison officers, law enforcement officials, and in
response to subpoenas or court orders. Review of this data will be done in one of the offices of the parties listed above. If the review of the security camera data reveals alleged misconduct by a teacher, the teacher and the Association President will be notified and may review the data depicting the alleged teacher misconduct. The imposing of any discipline against a teacher as a result of an investigation using security camera data shall be in accordance with the Progressive Discipline section of this Agreement.
At the time any new security camera is activated in any school building, all teachers of the building shall be notified of the use of the security camera, where it is located, and when it shall be used. All new employees shall be notified of the use and placement of security cameras as a part of the New Teacher Induction Program.
Rationale: The school board has decided to install security cameras at Geneva High School. The goal of the new surveillance system is to monitor areas of the building that are not being directly monitored by school employees. This proposed language is meant to govern the use of those cameras and outline the proper procedure for the use of any footage from those cameras.
Debbie Hanson
7:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I find the whole situation quite sad. This has less to do with education and community relations than with control and power. The board of education is elected by the community to represent the community. The whole community. These are tough times in more ways than one. Thank you BOE for your service. Hang in there!
G.Ryan
7:58 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
And I remember the union teachers mentioning it wasn't about the money?
Lisa
8:35 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I agree. This seems to continue to be all about money and control. Thank you BOE. Stay strong - thank you for holding up your end of agreed to measures.
G.Ryan
7:56 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Like I stated before Greed has no conscience. The union teachers don't care the taxpayers have no money to spare and the District has 309 MILLION IN DEBT. It is all for the unions so they can add to their million dollar empires to fund and buy more of the Democratic corruptive Politicians. This is all political greed that has now polluted the educational systems of America.
Robert Jr.
8:05 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Look out at the retirement portion and the pay freeze component -
If any of us padded our salaries with a 6% increase right before retirement, while on a public employee program, we would be accused of committing fraud to tax payers in a scheme designed to pad retirement benefits.
We ought to check to see if this is standard practice for offices such as the Mayor, Commissioner, and other public employees as well. The practice itself may be accepted by public employees - but it needs to end - it is nothing but a manipulation and a defrauding of tax payers.
Sue J
8:18 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Agreed! How can we stop this? Between all taxing bodies in Kane County I feel like I am being held hostage. If public employees don't want to be accountable for their salaries and benefits they need to work in the private sector. If they don't want to move over they will need to put up with the scrutiny. I feel like there has been an awakening in Geneva for many residents concerning spending. Maybe the awakening is a result from the economic downturn but whatever the reason it needed to happen.
Grace F
8:16 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The teachers position is unconscionable. The Board must continue to hold strong to protect our community. We cannot afford to pay more. I am so very disappointed in our teachers. It is time to hold strong and break the union. Bring in the subs.
Manny
8:20 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Teamsters with textbooks - following their marching orders from the State Union.
Doug Lassiter
8:35 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You want subs teaching your children and your schools to slip from excellence - that will in turn cause property values to drop and you will be worse off. I move here for the schools and am willing to pay. What is being asked for is modest, fair and reasonable.
Manny
8:39 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Doug there is a long line of talented, dedicated educators who want to work in this district.
Lisa
8:43 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Doug,
With all do respect, have you seen the lesson plans of your teachers? Is there anything new or current? Some, not all, but some at the upper end of the salary scale have done NOTHING to their lesson plans in over 10 years. They use the same worksheets, books, art projects etc. and they are on auto pilot. I expect to pay teachers who adjust their teaching to include new and current curriculum, creative new methods and who are attentive to the diverse learning styles of their current students. When that can't happen they certainly should not be getting raises.
Max
3:26 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You will pay, Doug, no doubt about that.
Property values dropping (further)? I think not -- unless property taxes continue to grow beyond the ridiculously high levels they've already reached, due to teacher compensation. Then you'll see people leaving who otherwise might have stayed in Geneva.
Teachers teach, and get better than average results, in Geneva because Geneva has been a better than average community. If they won't teach for three more years at the pay level at which they completed the current contract, then good riddance to them. They can easily be replaced (and at a significant overall savings) with quality teachers whose applications already fill D304 files.
If this is GEA's so-called "final offer", then take note of every detail Voters, so that you can compare it to what they finally are forced to settle for. They have set their last bridge afire. Enjoy the glow, GEA -- while it lasts. Those November street corners can be a little chilly.
Grace F
8:44 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Some of the teachers are excellent, some are just so-so. None of them are irreplaceable. These are tough, tough economic times. Look at the small blurb in today's Tribune's business section on property values. If you think for a minute a tax increase won't cause values to slip further, you're crazy. The school district is in debt and cannot afford this package. Hold strong, board.
Wayne
9:07 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
That is true about the teachers. My son's 3rd grade teacher recycled newsletters year after year (spelling errors and all), lesson plans, and projects. It was obvious she knew little about each son based on her comments to me during parent-teacher talks. Just collecting that $87,000 paycheck.
John Manny
9:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You have got to be kidding all this time over 1% increase. Give me a break, the school board had no problem spending for artifical turf (I thought thery were broke) Pay the teachers for gods sakes. If we are in such bad shape lets give up sports and other activites. The parents have no problem with paying for coachs and facilities but object to a 1 % increase.?
Sue J
9:47 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
John please re-read the article. The 1% is in addition to the step and lane.
Julie
10:22 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
C'mon people...get in the know! The football field was mostly paid for by private donations I believe. All of the coaches get paid for their "extra" work. Even though the number "one" seems to be a low number, it is NOT! BOE-Stay strong, please! I agree w/Manny....there are hundreds, if not thousands, of seasoned, great teachers itching to teach in 304. This is a FACT.
Susan
9:38 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
If we had a charter school, our child would be going to it right now. I have a friend in Michigan who sends her kids to a charter school, and their school is among the top in the state for test scores. I am willing to pay tuition and raises for teachers who have proven their skills through their TEACHING. I'm not willing to pay for teachers raises based on their tenure.
btown95
9:53 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Susan, research will show you that charter schools don't perform any better than public schools. I think what the teachers are asking for isn't unreasonable. It will be interesting to see if the School Board thinks that a 1% increase is worth striking over.
Susan
1:32 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The charter school may not be any better, but they are not worse by any means. It does however mean that I would feel better about where my money was going knowing that the teacher salaries are based on performance and not a contract that the union has set up. 1% may not seem that unreasonable, but in an economy where MANY families have not had a raise in over 3 years, no bonus, and still manage to keep afloat, it does seem unreasonable. The BOE isn't asking them to take a pay freeze for 3 years, they are asking, from what I've been told, for ONE year! Really?! You're going to tell me that going on strike and forcing our kids to stay home for who knows how long is worth one year of a pay freeze?! Give me a break. And yes Pat, I have been paying attention, as I have a child in the school system, I am quite aware of their accolades. I believe that those teacher who have achieved those accolades should be rewarded, and those who DO NOT should not be. Did you pay attention to my last post? Look, I've loved all of the teachers that my child has had over the years, and I think they are outstanding. Having said that, I don't believe I should be taxed out of my home to pay for a 3% increase (over the 3 years) to prove how much I appreciate them. That is my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions........
Bob McQuillan
9:56 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
As I suspected, this is all about getting as much money prior to retirement as possible. It is not about attracting excellent new teachers or they would have more than a 1% increase in base salary. Look at the details, it is all about the old eating the young.
- 1% increase plus step and lane which translates to a 3.65% increase for every teacher and what looks like a 6.3% increase for those moving lanes. That is in each of the first 2 years.
- 2 additional sick days every year. That is so teachers can retire earlier - sick days are rolled over and "cashed in" for earlier retirement. 2 additional days over 20 years means a teacher retires 40 days earlier.
-5% medical premium payments for single coverage. The young teacher pays more
-6% increases for 3 years prior to retirement. This only inflates pension payments which will soon be paid for by the local district. The state charges a penalty to the district if end of career bumps are too large. Everyone is moving away from this benefit not reinstating it.
Mr. Miles didn't even get the cost of the salary increase right. He said the cost would be @2% of the current $39 million total or 750k. The GEA offer says that it will be over $1 million. But the increase will be at least 3.65% which puts the actual cost at $1.5 million for the first year.
I think the new teachers should stop wearing their green shirts, your union is taking you to the cleaners and rewarding teachers near retirement with more benefits.
btown95
10:32 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Teachers retiring 40 days earlier? I don't know of any teacher that just takes off after Spring Break and retires
Sue J
11:02 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob can you clarify if a teacher doesn't use the days to retire early does the district pay them for their unused sick days?
Max
3:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob,
You've hit the nail squarely on the head, as usual, with "Look at the details, it is all about the old eating the young."
And further, it is very significantly about filling the coffers of the State and National Teachers' union (at the expense of our community), since union dues are set at a percentage of each member's pay.
We must NEVER forget that unions are all about unions, not about teaching, not about building better automobiles and not about fitting better pipes or making electricity work better.
It's time for tax-payers to take a stand. If not now, when?
Bob McQuillan
10:10 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
As a point of clarification, the levy increases I spoke about are based on a house valued at $288,000. If the board approves a 0% tax levy increase, your taxes will increase $404.00. This is to get the same revenue the district received this year. So expect a school property tax increase of at least $400.
As to the base salary issue. The teachers complained that Geneva's starting salary is too low and will not attract the brightest & best new teachers. What does their offer do for new teachers? It raises the base salary 1%. How is a $400 increase going to fix the problem? It won't.
Here is a simple solution: Take the starting salary up to $50,000 with no increase for the first 4 years of teaching. Tenure usually kicks in abut year 5 so this plan will attract the best teachers (highest starting salary) and provide an opportunity to increase salary after year 5. Many new teachers are "pink slipped" before year 5 so this offers them the opportunity to make more money than teachers who are "pink slipped" at other districts. It also provides them the opportunity to gain valuable experience and have a higher starting salary if they need to move to another district.
Teachers with less than 15 years experience should look at this contract offer and ask what benefits are they getting vs. the benefits those close to retirement are getting. New teachers have it bad enough trying to find a job, now the union is disrespecting them by giving 6% bumps for 3 years at career end.
Sue J
10:18 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Seriously they need 2 more sick days a year. This is unbelievable. It is so out of wack with what the average private sector employee receives! I don't anyone that doesn't have a cap on what they can roll over. No to mention I know no one that gets 12 days a year. Somehow this entitlement has to stop!
Julie
10:28 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Yes, and keep in mind these sick days don't even cover 12 months...more like 9 months and that's being generous when you factor in holidays and breaks.
Bob McQuillan
11:23 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Sue J
It is my understanding that sick days can not be turned into cash. I do not have that in writing though. They are used so that someone can retire early. Teachers can bank up to 2 years worth of sick days and thus retire 2 years early with no penalty. 40 additional days allows someone to get to that 2 year number but also provides for days to be used as they labeled - actual sick days.
Sue J
12:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob thanks for the clarification. I am just amazed at all of this!
Susie Dooberstein
10:36 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Funny that right now it seems the younger, newer teachers are all still giving a day's work for a day's pay. Why is it that the teachers with the most years teaching and on the top half of the pay scale (90k+) all seem to be the ones who have not entered grades since mid-September into Home Access, have shown 3 or more movies in AP classes and dragged their feet on other daily job requirements they have? Their work slow down is not making me feel any sympathy for them at all. BOE stand strong! If this is what their request looks like when times are tough what in the world will they ask for when/if the economy bounces back?
Laurie R.
10:39 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Subs in the schools? Is that even possible? Who is writing the lesson plans? NO, THANK YOU!! Keep your heads up, teachers. Many of us are with you! The worst thing that can happen to Geneva right now is a teacher strike. Just watch your home values tumble. No one will be looking to buy here so it won't really matter what the taxes are.
Susie Dooberstein
10:57 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
PLEASE show me a current teacher who revises their lesson plans? In fact - when they call in sick most of them do not even offer a substitute lesson plan thus all the movies that are watched across all grade levels. I have even had teachers ask the kids for recommendations of movies they would like to see when they know they have an upcoming day off. We need to be more realistic - our schools are not any better than St Charles or Batavia and our home values have already decreased. Our teachers going on strike is not going to influence the already decreased market and you are fooling yourself if you think so.
BeachBall22
11:21 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bully much, Pat L? Reign it in a little, please.
Rosie
11:32 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Laurie, many of the subs out there are bright ,eager certified teachers!! They may bring some freshness to the classrooms. Many of the teachers have been teaching the same lesson plans for years!! I have a 7th grader and High Schooler..Funny how over the years I have seen the same old assignments, teaching methods..so on...As for the lesson plans, ..The teachers have a set schedule and materials they need to cover..Lesson plans are not that much of a challenge for the teachers not mixing things up..Some do, but most do not!!
Julie
10:48 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I've got news for you, not many people are choosing Geneva right now or in the last few years because of the taxes! Don't believe me? Ask a realtor...an honest one. When the taxes continue to rise, they'll pass us over even more...strike or no strike. While you're asking the Realtor, go ahead and ask how much the foreclosure rate has increased in this same time period. It's up, up, up!
Bob McQuillan
11:31 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Anyone who stayed for the entire meeting last night saw a presentation on the options we have to pay off our $306 million dollar debt. Since this information is public, a Realtor could be sued if someone buys a house through them and the Realtor does not inform them about the district debt service repayments. A Realtor last night commented about the number of foreclosures in Geneva over the last 2 years. Mr. Moran made a comment about the commercial and industrial real estate market and the possibility that "the other shoe" will drop. William Blair is calling for 4% growth within 5 years, it ain't going to happen.
GenevaParent
11:00 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I have four kids in Geneva schools who are doing great thanks to the teachers we have.
BeachBall22
11:17 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Are you sure it's thanks to their teachers and not to their parents? Our teachers like to tout the high test scores in the district, but so much of that depends on the demographic of the district they're lucky enough to teach in. The parents in Geneva are committed to the education of their children. The teachers are committed to fattening their wallets.
Rosie
11:25 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I will assume your children are doing Great because you and your husband are great Parents and are raising good kids!! You probably help them with homework, hold them accountable for their work..and so on... Teachers do have some responsibilty for it, but it is a team effort!! My kids have done the same level of work with Great, good and terrible Geneva teachers!! We need to STOP giving them all the credit!!
GenevaParent
11:30 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You bet that my wife and I get some of the credit for our kids performance in school--part of it is that we're smart enough to live in a community that values good teachers. Count me in.
GenevaParent
11:25 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Wow. My wife and I like to stay active in things around the schools and the programs that our kids participate in. Haven't met the teachers who are "committed to fattening their wallets" yet. I'll keep looking though. :)
Susie Dooberstein
11:34 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Pat L - unfortunately these are not "lies" as you call them. Checking HomeAccess will show that there are teachers who have not entered one line item since September 14 yet papers have been turned in and tests have been taken. Maybe this teacher is too busy posting on Patch to get their work done? I urge you to ask your children if they have watched a movie yet this year? My guess is they have. I also do not think you understand the depth of this. Never have we said that we do not appreciate our teachers or think they are anything less - we simply are saying that due to these economic times we have found ourselves in a position where we need to be fiscally wise. We have volunteered, donated, helped out in the class and supported each and every referendum when times were good. Times are different now and the teachers need to understand that - it is their turn to be fair and not take this as a personal offense and realize that they have a position that would be envied by most of the tax payers that they are working for.
Susie Dooberstein
12:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Hey Pat L - don't forget to get back to us once you have asked how many movies your kids have watched this year. Maybe we can compare notes?
Doug Lassiter
11:38 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Yes, there have been teachers lined up to work here. But that's the point. That will change and we will be the worse for it. Teachers must work thirty-five years to get full retirement. They also contribute about 10% of their salary per year toward their retirement. To "bank" enough sick days to retire early would require 30 years of no days off. Really?
Sue J
12:14 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
10% a year to get 75% of their ending salary for the rest of their life. That is really skewed! I can only support my retirement not anyone else's!
James Cullen
11:54 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The Union Greenshirts currently are being overpaid by about 50% in total compensation by Geneva’s taxpaying families and households.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/10/public-schools-pay-teachers-50-percent-above-market-heritage-analysis-finds. They want to increase that %. Their salaries only constitute about 50-70% of the total value in compensation they receive for each partial year of work. A Union Greenshirt receiving a salary of $ 100,000 per partial year is actually receiving total compensation worth closer to $ 200,000 per partial year. A salary of $50,000 computes to total compensation worth closer to $ 100,000.
When the average “full-career” (33 partial years, equivalent to 25 twelve-month years) Union Greenshirt retires, which for the last 6 years in Geneva has been at age 59, their average initial pension amount has been $ 83,866 per year, which by Illinois law increases by a compounded 3% per year. During the following 21 years of life expectancy, while the annual pension amount doubles, the retiree receives $ 2.3 million in pension, primarily paid by the Illinois income taxpayers.
This $ 2.3 million pension debt for each Union Greenshirt that works a “full career” is piled on the backs of Geneva’s children, and ripped out of their future hopes and dreams. The Illinois income taxes they will pay as adults will inevitably be increased substantially.
This child fiscal abuse is the civil rights issue of our time.
Max
3:48 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Thank you, James, but the last thing the "green-shirt" supporters want to do is look at the facts.
They support the GEA the same way they make their State and National election choices -- with any part but their heads.
We've all seen the yard signs.
BeachBall22
12:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Have any of you actually looked at what our teachers are making? Not too hard to find online, and it's pretty eye-opening.
Doug Lassiter
12:14 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
James, as someone has recently said, you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own "fact". Teacher pensions are actually paid for by teacher contributions which are then invested, the state has not paid its share over the years and now wants to shift that burden to others - check out their pensions. Why don't you slow down and document your math.
Tom Fortune
12:27 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
God forbid that firefighters or police officers ask for a raise when their contracts are up. All the old crabs on this blog will then turn into Firefighter & Cop Haters.
1%...Calm down people.
Bob McQuillan
12:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
IT IS NOT A 1% SALARY INCREASE
1% plus step and lane. Get your facts right. That means every teacher would receive at least a 3.65% salary increase this year, not including any lane change. How many people are guaranteed a 3.65% salary increase each year for the next two years.
Tom Fortune
1:04 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I know Bob. The Step & Lane should be automatic.
Manny
1:48 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The pro-union propaganda machine is obviously trying to fill these threads with misinformation.
Bob McQuillan
2:31 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Tom, as an administrator for a school district, you should realize that many districts are getting rid of step & lane. Within a few years teachers will be evaluated individually and step and lane will be history. Step and lane is not mandated by the state and thus Geneva, or any other school district, could eliminate it now. Just because it was in the las contract doesn't mean it should automatically be in the new one. If step and lane isn't a salary increase what is it? If they have step and lane why is there a need for a 1% additional increase? Guess you think the 6% bump is right too. As long as you get it in your contract I mean.
Doug Lassiter
12:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
With all these bad teachers it is a wonder that test scores keep going up, Must be something in the water.
Rosie
1:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Not all the teacher are "bad" but they have got it good!! They teach in a community of parents who are there every step of the way..helping with homework, getting tutors outside of school, running to target and spending $30 for a project..have these teacher go to a community where you can not even get parents to show up for a teacher conference...then lets talk about scores!!
Sue J
5:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Does someone have the numbers of the average ACT score in Geneva for the last 5 to 7 years? While 23.9 is above the state average is not great by any means. Now if we were talking in the high 20s and low 30s that is a different story. There are a lot of schools that won't take 23.9. Please be real!
someone who cares
7:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
ACT scores:
Geneva
2011 - 24.1
2010 - 24.2
2009 - 23.7
2008 - 23.9
2007 - 23
2006 - 23.3
Overall - a 3.3% increase
St. Charles
2011 - 23.4
2010 - 23.6
2009 - 23
2008 - 22.7
2007 - 22.2
2006 - 22.4
Overall a 4.4% increase
Betty
1:02 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
As Abby Lee Miller says on "Dance Moms", "Everyone is replaceable!" I don't know why my family has to take a pay cut, pay higher taxes for the teachers to have a larger salary. If we could get anything for our house right now, on this horrible market, we would be gone! And, yes, I do have kids in the Geneva district.
Doug Lassiter
1:43 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I'm sure Abby Lee Miller is the new standard of wisdom, Betty, but not everyone is replaceable. Don't move east, property values are higher and so are taxes. You may also find that taxes are not so low in the communities with less of a tax base. They need proportionally higher taxes to make up for lower property values. Things are tough for many of us, but they won't get better by trying to bring others down. And, Rosie, aren't you saying that we all live in a community that values education. Sure these teacher would not produce such good test scores in one of those districts, but it is also true that your students would not produce such good scores if they moved to the lower tax rate district you describe.
Manny
2:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Right on, Doug. My daughter's second grade teacher makes $111,292, with full medical, lifetime pension, summers off, blah, blah blah....
I shudder to think of the substandard education she would have received if she had been taught by some sub 100k teacher.
We need to show our undying commitment to the teacher's union NO MATTER WHAT our own finances look like! And as others here have said, if you don't want to show the world how much Geneva values education, MOVE.
Now let's make these teachers rich! Who's with me?
Susie Dooberstein
2:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Unfortunately, in the real world EVERYONE is replaceable. And another bit of info for you - everything tangible and intangible has a cap or limit. If they cannot understand this is not personal they are free to leave and move on to another district to teach. Believe it or not - there are a good amount of skilled, educated teachers both young and old, that would be willing to take their positions and be grateful to have a job in these trying times in a town such as Geneva. I say bring in the subs!
Julie
2:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
E X A C T L Y !!!!! How many times do people need to write that there are great, average and very poor teachers in 304? Look at any work place and this is true of its employees. In looking at my own experiences w/304 and the 20 combined years my kids have been in the district, I can count on one hand (excluding the thumb) the GREAT teachers they have had. I can count on two hands the number that were below average, while the rest fall in to the average category. Can we also give some credit to the kids themselves who get these "high" scores? A lot of them are just smart to begin with and when you couple that with their hard work and budding work ethic, then they are partly responsible too. Please don't tell me that Geneva ONLY has students that score high! Just like Chicago, Aurora and Elgin has students that would outscore some of Geneva's students.
Sue J
3:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Who is Pat L? Talking to teachers on their lunch? What parents speak to teachers on their lunch break? I don't trust Pat L's information at all! I am amazed at all of the teacher's memories to remember those exact numbers over a 10 year period.
Susie Dooberstein
3:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
That's funny Pat! Based on the grammar in your posts, you would not be teaching English, correct?
Manny
3:27 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Sue J - while Pat L is talking to teachers on their lunch breaks, let's not forget the other Union guy, Tom Fortune, who looks at his neighbor's paystubs (and happens to be a school administrator in another district) BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dave Larson
3:29 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
So Susie, you have accused teachers of not updating lesson plans, not updating HomeAccess, showing too many movies, “dragging their feet on other daily job requirements”, of a deliberate “work slow down”, and that they’re easily replaceable – but, you don’t want them to take it personally?
BeachBall22
3:41 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I just polled my high schooler about how many movies he's seen this year. Only one so far - Monty Python and the Holy Grail - but the year is young. And this was in English class.
Julie
5:33 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Any respect I had for the teachers on this particular situation is now so far out the window it won't likely ever be back. So, Dave, I personally don't care if they DO take it personally. They, nor the Union, by no means take our concerns personally.
My son is currently in a class that hasn't had grades updated since October 4th and there have been assignments, a quiz and one test since then. I thought there was a rule that HA was to be updated once a week? Oh, that's right...some rules don't pertain to everyone. I'll also put it out there that it was a bit odd that three teachers from the same team @ GMSN were "out" last Friday. Just sayin.....
Max
10:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Not in the least, I hasten to remind you, is it unfortunate that everyone is replaceable. Competition improves the breed. Yes, it does.
The reason our citizens' faith in our government has sunk so low is because we have allowed incumbents (including those operating under the umbrella of government employees' unions) to dictate to the voters what public policies should be.
The cart is before the horse.
Grace F
2:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Mr Fortune .... only 1%? Forget that it is really closer to 4%, but again ... not much you say? Well, precisely the point. Not much for each individual teacher who needs to 'do there' part, as it is certainly quite a lot when multiplied across the board for all of the teachers. Certainly a lot more than this district and its taxpayers can afford. I congratulate our board for maintaining their good sense, unlike the city of Chicago who agreed to a contract with no funds to pay for it. Will a strike be very difficult on parents and teachers and administration? Absolutely. However, we cannot be held hostage by the union. And, I have yet to see a teacher here so good she or he is not replaceable. Thank you to our volunteer board. Iam sure you have put in countless hours.
Barky McWatchdog
3:19 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
If anyone in Geneva is foolish enough to believe that our teachers cannot be replaced, with EXTRAORDINARY, INSPIRED, FRESH, TECH-FORWARD, HUNGRY teachers who would happily start their careers here, for much less money, then I have some picket signs and green shirts for you too. Poll a dozen or so friends that you may have, IF they are still employed, to see if 1) they were guaranteed yearly raises when they began their careers 2) they are able to LOAD the end of their career with a 6% raise each year in order to fund their retirement and 3) if they value anything besides money in their current job (i.e. relationships with parents/students/community members/sense of self worth for a job well done/appreciation for a secure & positive work environment) Please post the results here, and feel free to email said results to 2012genevateachers@gmail.com.
Lacey S.
3:23 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob McQuillan wrote: "As a point of clarification, the levy increases I spoke about are based on a house valued at $288,000. If the board approves a 0% tax levy increase, your taxes will increase $404.00. This is to get the same revenue the district received this year."
This is a very misleading "clarification" and a false conclusion. If the board approves a 0% tax levy increase they not asking for increased property tax revenues, but the same as the previous year. If the number of assessed parcels in Geneva has remained the same (the number has actually increased, but at a slower rate than in the past) then the actual tax dollars per parcel remains the same. Simply put -- NO increase in your actual tax dollars. Let me explain.
The tax RATE will go up as required to yield the same amount, but this is because the EAV or Equalized Assessed Value of each parcel has been reduced. To use Bob's $404 example, that house last year assessed at $288,000 (EAV $96,000) will this year be assessed at $266890 (EAV $88,963.35).
Real example -- The property at 2677 Berkshire Drive, Geneva: In tax year 2010 (payable 2011) the house was worth $354,450 (EAV $118,150) and paid property tax of $8686.14 on a tax rate of 7.745113%. That same house in tax year 2011 (payable 2012) was now worth $323,829 (EAV $101,943), and although the tax rate INCREASED to 8.417187% this lucky fellows tax burden actually DECREASED over $100 to $8580.74
Note: Tax = (EAV - homestead exemption) * rate
Bob McQuillan
5:04 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Lacey S
Nice try Lacey but my figures come directly from the presentation made by the Asst. Superintendent of Finance to the Board Finance Committee a few weeks ago. You have failed to include the additional debt service payment that must be collected. So there WILL BE AN INCREASE in your school property taxes even if there is no increase in the levy.
That lucky fellow at 2677 Berkshire Drive had his tax burden reduced because the assessed value was appealed and was lowered. His tax burden, without the appeal would have increased over $300.00. The tax rate increased from 5.301% to 5.733%. That lucky guy understands the system. When EAV is declining and yearly debt service is increasing, your property taxes WILL increase. That is exactly what will happen next year.
By the way, I give my address at every school board meeting when I address the board and use my real name. My address is 2677 Berkshire Drive in Geneva, IL. Stop by some time and say hello.
Lacey S.
6:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob, kudos to you that you were able to lower your assessment! Apparently many in Geneva have the same understanding of the system since the TOTAL Geneva EAV dropped 3.95% Levy Year 2010, dropped another 6.00% Levy Year 2011, and another 2.11% Levy Year 2010 (William Blair's numbers) even though the number of parcels did not decrease.
Do you understand that if EAV declines tax rates must increase in order to maintain equal revenue? And do you also understand that if a house worth $288,000 in year 1 has a its EAV reduced year 2 that it is no longer a $288,000 house?
As an aside, you specified in your original scenario a "0% tax levy increase", but then you say in your reply to me "additional debt service payment that must be collected". I hope you understand that debt service is a tax levy, and that, failing EAV rising faster than CPI-U (which it clearly is not) the levy must increase?
Oh, and please drop the snark -- it's uncalled for.
Lacey S.
6:19 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
correction to last fat fingered post - dropped another 2.11% 2012, not 2010
Kathy
3:40 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
No. No, no, no, no. I hope the last offer from the BOE isn't anywhere near this GEA offer! Stand strong BOE members, the community is behind you! Now I see why you could not reach agreement. And I have to say, I never thought greed was the motivator for teachers before, but I do now. For shame.
Thomas
3:44 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I am intrigued by the "all teachers are replaceable" argument. I am curious to know from those that advocate the "out with the old in with the new" "revolving door" hiring strategy. How long will the shelf life be of those you have selected from the long line of bright and dedicated teachers looking for a job before you show them the door only to be replaced by somebody else from the long line? 10-15 years? And then how many years will it take after you implement this strategy before the district gets the reputation that after 10-15 years you will be shown the door? I am guessing it won't take very long. I agree you will always be able to find someone who will fill a position at any price. The question is are those the teachers you want teaching your kids
Max
2:51 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
The only faction "showing the door" to teachers will be the teachers' union, if GEA/IEA leadership decide to strike.
Tom Fortune
3:47 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob-
Can you please list school districts that are getting rid of Step & Lane? I don't know of any school district that doesn't have a step and lane contract.
Manny
4:23 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I'd think if you were an administraor in another distirct you'd know about this.
"...attorney Burt Odelson, whose law firm represents several school districts in the Chicago area, said change is inevitable.
"I've done this for 40 years, and I've never seen the contracts that we are seeing now, where there are actual freezes, no step movements. The trend is here, it is happening. It has to happen," Odelson said.
"My prediction is that we are going to see all these (traditional teacher) salary grids falling by the wayside and some sort of merit-based pay," he said.
"School districts can't afford it anymore."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-13/news/ct-met-teacher-step-increases-20120913_1_teacher-salaries-salary-increases-step-increases/2
Bob McQuillan
5:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Tom
Haven't I proven to you that I know what I'm talking about? As an administrator at a school district, I can't believe you don't know about the recent article in the Chicago Tribune. Maybe you should stop commenting on the Patch during the work day and pay attention to your administrative responsibilities.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-13/news/ct-met-teacher-step-increases-20120913_1_teacher-salaries-salary-increases-step-increases
I'll even add a second article so you are informed about step and lane
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-23/news/ct-met-cps-salary-schedule-0923-20120923_1_teacher-contract-salary-schedule-chicago-teachers-union
someone who cares
8:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Tom - try out Denver schools districts as well as Zion Benton here in Illinois. The taxed out public has had enough. If you were in my school district I would be voting for the BOE to replace you with the comments you made here. No one deserves a raise just because they are employed. No one deserves a 6% raise in each of their last few years of employment. This is getting pathetic.
Laurie R.
3:59 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Did any of you live here in 2004-05? Do you know how broke our school district was then? I know this sounds like a joke... but we were so poor that the parents (with very generous support from the Geneva merchants and two incredible business owners who donated their time and expertise) had to landscape the front of Harrison (without any help from the district) after the renovation of the current entrance because there was no money in the budget. We were SO POOR that we accepted (begged for) the opportunity to move (parents) the USED mulch from Elm Park when it was being renovated by the park district (with their approval) so that we could place it where the kindergartners waited to enter the building so that they were not standing in the mud. We were so poor that when our very generous landscape company owner was working at Harrison (and paying his laborer out of his own pocket), neighbors came by to yell at him and say things like "how dare the school district be doing this landscaping when there is no money!" It was so bad we (parents) nearly purchased a sign to place in the garden which read "No tax dollars were harmed in the building of this garden." We were so appreciative of the USED tulip bulbs generously donated to us by Cantigny. And yet, during those very dark days, the teachers were still paid step and lane and cost of living. I think the teachers may just be wondering why they have been forsaken now when there is a $30M reserve. Wouldn't you?
Manny
4:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Again with the 30M reserve. Maybe we can use it to pay down a small portion of the 300M debt.
Rosie
4:55 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Laurie, From what everyone is saying..there is NO RESERVE!! And many people lived hear in 2004-2005 and are very aware of how "poor" the east side was..But, we are now in 2012..Any from what I know about the being of POOR , it is the inability to provide for your family..not move mulch...Pop your Geneva bubble and step into the real world!!
Bob McQuillan
5:25 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Laurie
We were so poor in 2004-05 because the board at that time gave the administration and teachers everything they asked for whether it was needed or not. One example is the $3 million dollar bus barn for buses that were only a year old. We were put on a financial watch list because of poor spending habits. Only when taxpayers started questioning the board did the belt get tightened.
We do not have $30 million in reserves; we have $61 million in reserves and will spend $4 million of that this year. At the end of the school year, June 30, 2013, it is projected that we will have $57 million in reserves. We also will increase our yearly debt service repayments by over $60 million between now and 2025. The fund reserves are a result of the school board approving higher tax levies than were needed. These reserves are the taxpayers money and should be used to offset the yearly increases in debt service repayment. Reserves were never intended to be used for day-to-day operations.
That is why the tax levy that will be voted on in December is so important. The board could raise the levy as much as 3% in a market where EAV is decreasing 3-5%. We are not out of the woods with our financial problems.
Kathy Zang
9:41 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Thank you Bob for clearing that up. I knew that we had been over-taxed, but did not know the figures. Again, over-taxing the citizens of Geneva should not be considered a windfall by the schools or the school board.
Traci
4:10 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The teachers union is so out of touch with reality and with what most people make and how hard all of us work. 3.65% increases per year? 18% increases prior to retirement to boost their tax payer paid pensons. The bleeding has to stop at some point. We can't afford this. If they strike, so be it. I say let them. There are lots of teachers that would love to work in Geneva.
Thomas
5:37 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob
You stated in an earlier post that having those with "HMO Single Coverage" paying 5% of the current monthly premium instead of 0%, as they currently do, will cost the younger teachers more. Your Quote: "-5% medical premium payments for single coverage. The young teacher pays more" First of all you are assuming only young people take HMO Single. The current cost to the district per month for HMO Single is $509.06 so 5% of that would cost a teacher $25.45/month. Currently employees who have "HMO Family" pay $353.58/month, "PPO 750" costs an employee $366.15/month,and "PPO 400 Family" costs an employee $686.90/month. Anyway you slice it HMO Single is cheaper even if you made them pay 68% of the cost to the district.
Bob McQuillan
8:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
HMO Single is not cheaper if you aren't paying anything for it today and will now pay $25.45 under the union proposed contract.
Thomas
9:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Sorry Bob,
Maybe I misunderstood yout original point.You had made it sound like asking teachers to pay 5% of their premium was an example, in your own words of "the old eating the young". The point I was trying to make is the young are getting off pretty easy with a $25.45 monthly premium compared to a premium of $353-$686 that other older teachers w/family coverage have already been paying.
Fun with Numbers
5:41 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The CUSD 304 Teacher Strike was a fait accompli as early as August 17 when they registered:
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It is shocking that such a highly educated group of adults has no understanding of labor mobility or how to maximize their human capital. Instead of putting time and energy into polishing their resumes, networking with teachers in other districts, and filling out applications and interviewing for the countless opportunities in surrounding communities — and then sifting through agressive competing offers for their skill sets — they choose to stay. It must be that they have been so abused by the taxpaying public that their Stockholm Syndrome behavior does not allow them to leave. They have no choice but to be subjected to the “disrespectful” compensation levels and working conditions in CUSD 304 largely funded by the 10,000 residential real estate owners in Geneva and Blackberry Township.
Fun with Numbers
5:41 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The sad truth is that most are unable to advance their career path or a land a new opportunity based on a demonstrable body of work and achievement. Instead they have been conditioned by the system that keeps them entrenched in their jobs and in their district. The union dues fund votes and votes maintain the system — and they see no way out. These individual are pawns in the game of union control. The system requires that they blindly follow the “negotiation” process — develop a website, do the minimum level of work per the contract, do the solidarity fashion thing, send mass mailings, pay for the IEA radio spots, fund the NEA special interests.
Over 90% of the students who will pass through their classrooms will not pursue teaching as a career, nor will they become a member of a union or be covered by collective bargaining. Their students will be measured by their individual efforts be and subject to market forces in their adult careers. Too bad teaching doesn't embrace individual effort — it would be much more attractive career path for students with high achieving aspirations and independent thinking.
Susie Dooberstein
6:02 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You, my friend, have nailed it head on! Very well said! Think about running in the Spring - we need more folks like you!
Kathy Zang
9:52 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Another excellent point. Thank you.
Manny
6:08 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
What we need is to raise the salaries of starting teachers so we can attract quality teachers to the district
We also need to get rid of step and lane - no more pay raises just for walking through the doors for another year. Absolutely no pension spiking - 18% raise in their final 3 years to boost their pensions? Unconscionable.
Raises should be based on quantifiable measures of teaching success. So we don't end up with a top-heavy staff of union lifers who do just enough to get by and make 100K plus.
We need teachers to fund their own pensions, like everyone else has been doing for 20 years.
Brian P.
7:40 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
why should the Geneva teachers be concerned about the cost of their proposed contract. During the previous 3 years they enjoyed percentage base salary increases step increases and lane increases. while the average taxpayer has endured pay freezes or cuts, increased work responsibilities , longer hours and uncertanity in job stability. With 2/3 of the area's housing worth less than 4 years ago, 14%+ of the population suffering from un and under employment over 60% of the homes "underwater" what's $50 or $60 a month more in taxes mean to the average taxpayer when by paying more we we can alleviate any discomfort our teachers may experience by taking a Hard freeze in pay (both step and lane)
Teachers Get real you've got it made and you want more??? BOE Hold strong do not give in , if necessary let those who don't like it find another position elsewhere just like those of us out in the Real World.
Emma12
8:44 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
This is a big opportunity to re structure the payment schedule and retirement packages for public employees. Recent events in the global economy have revealed the weaknesses in the way governments and businesses were compensating and providing benefits for their employees. In the long run, it would be better for the teachers to accept a salary freeze now, understand that things like pension spikes are a thing of the past and flat out request a change over to a 401k fund for their retirement. Step and lane is a game that has been played out. I support teachers, I hope they got into teaching for the love of it as a vocation, with the expectation that they would make a decent living. I think summers off and winter and spring break are fair, you really could become burned out teaching otherwise. I also know that our family has only seen pay cuts over the last four years, not one raise, and we expect to wait until the economy improves before we see any pay raise. We are grateful to have jobs, many around us have lost theirs, many have had to re locate to find work. We save for our retirement, we pay for our benefits, we have no job security.I calculate that we will work 45 years before we retire. We started at 22 and hope to retire at 67.The tax base in this town simply cannot afford what the teachers are asking for. I will be sorry if the teacher's strike, but if we must play this out that way, then, so be it. And yes, I have children in three Geneva schools at the moment.
Wes
10:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Well put. The teachers union has finally pushed it to the breaking point. I think the will is finally here among the citizens to make a stand.
Kathy Zang
9:59 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Thank you Emma. That is the reality of the employees of private business in America. You must remain competitive with your own dollar for the most part. You must save because nice pensions were done away with sometime in the 80's. Why does the BOE assume that the tax payers have bottomless pockets? Their delusions vs the reality of economics in America are the main problem. The money isn't there. Taxpayers who cannot afford their mortgages, let alone save for their future retirement cannot pay for these outlandish requests.
BeachBall22
8:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Geneva teachers are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Say goodbye to the PTO's - who is going to donate to the PTO after this? Say goodbye to teacher wish list items and teacher allotments...there will be no more money to give.
Rick Anderson
8:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Here is a reality check that is nearly on par with Geneva's debt obligations. Dow Chemical a premier USA firm announced today that it is saving $500 million dollars through 2014 by closing 20 plants and laying off 2,400 employees. It cites continuing slowing macroeconomic conditions. Geneva is carrying $304M in debt; takes from taxpayer reserve funds to close spending gap; chooses to stand it's ground with GEA; and lives in the unknown about future obligations to fund our districts teachers pension. Teachers and their pocket pols can't even begin to phantom the future economic consequences looming.
Grace F
9:20 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Wow, Rick - powerful and frightening illustration.
Grace F
9:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Speaking of this debt, has there been an investigation (by the states attorney?) into the enrollment numbers used when the 2007 (?) referendum was launched?
Agree that this might be the time to restructure the entire pay structure for teachers in 304 - bust the union. Hate to say it as I have several children in schools here, but the future of our town is truly at stake here.
Wes
10:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
We need to focus on one thing at time - yes, enrollmentgate was a hinky deal and it put us on the hook for huge debt. But the BoE seems to understand the gravity of the situation and (obviously) couldn't make a deal with a union that wanted a 19% raise for the old fat-cats in the 3 years prior to pension time.
At any rate - the BoE needs to know that virtually the entire community is in their corner right now.
Bob McQuillan
11:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Grace F
The states attorney office will not begin an investigation of "enrollmentgate" unless a police report is filed with the Geneva Police Department. To date, no one has filed a police report.
Debbie Hanson
12:12 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Regarding increasing the starting teachers' salaries to stay competitive...think about what this truly means. My daughter is a first year teacher. She received a fabulous education in Geneva schools and fabulous education from the University of Illinois. Honors graduate, 3 job offers (2 part-time) and now a full-time teacher. I'm incredibly proud but incredibly realistic. As confident as I am that she is a wonderful teacher, the fact of the matter is that there is a TREMENDOUS learning curve during that first year. I see how hard she works, I see the long hours BUT at the end of the day, she is still NEW and inexperienced!. And for this we need to pay MORE?? She drives almost an hour to get to work, works in a district with 67% low income families, is paid quite less than Geneva but she will tell you:1) she feels she is fairly compensated, 2) she knows she has a lot to learn and 3) she is happy to have a job!! The students coming out of college these days are made aware of the challenges and changes facing the educational system as they will be shouldering the burden. Teaching is still an excellent profession but will not be as lucrative as it is today. These kids are realistic yet still passionate about teaching. Perhaps there is hope for the future after all.
Doug Lassiter
8:11 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Please do not assume that you or anyone represents a majority even if many of the people who write here (those of us without anything constructive to do) agree with you. I do not, but I don't assume everyone agrees with me even though I'm right. Remember what you were taught about assuming.