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Geneva School District 304 has posted its Nov. 8 offer to the Geneva Education Associations—and it includes step and lane movemenet as well as a multi-year salary boost for teachers who elect to retire in the 2014-15 school year.
It also calls for the establishment of a joint Salary Study Group to avoid another contract dispute three years from now.
You can read the full details of the offer here and on the Geneva School District 304 negotiations webpage.
Salary
Historically, teachers have been paid according to their placement on the teacher salary schedule. The salary schedule is organized around steps and lanes. Each step represents one year of employment in the District and a salary increase of 2.65%; a lane represents completed graduate coursework and salary increases vary by lane. Salaries increase as a teacher moves a step (down the salary schedule) and/or a lane (across the salary schedule).
2012/2013: Salary freeze for all teachers except:
- teachers who qualify for lane advancement based on completed graduate coursework will be permitted to move to the appropriate lane on salary schedule (36 teachers)
- teachers who have submitted a retirement notice over the past three years but prior to Aug. 15, 2012 (57 teachers)
2013/2014: 1.95% added to each cell on the salary schedule or .75 of a step; 1.5% added to each longevity cell (a teacher with 23+ years of experience); beginning teacher salary increases from $39,651 to $40,305; 8 additional teachers permitted unlimited lane movement; all other teachers who qualify for lane advancement may move one (1) lane.
2014/2015: 2.75% added to each cell on the salary schedule or one (1) step; 1.5% added to each longevity cell (a teacher with 23+ year of experience) beginning teacher salary increases $40,305 to $41,413; teachers who qualify for lane advancement may move one (1) lane
Letter of Understanding: The Board and Association agree to establish a joint Salary Study Group to address the question of future compensation of teachers.
Retirement
In the Agreement that expired in August, teachers who submitted a retirement notice were given a 6% salary increase over their previous year’s salary in the first year of their participation in the retirement program. Subsequent increases in the last three years of participation in the retirement program were tied to the average salary increase in the prior school year. End of service salary increases have been prevalent in many Illinois school districts.
Board Proposal – November 8, 2012:
- Plan A – ERO sunsets (ends) at the end of the 2012/2013 school year.
- Plan B – will sunset at the end of this contract in August 15, 2015.
An eligible teacher submitting a retirement notice by a predetermined date in the 2012/2013 school year and who intends to retire at the end of the 2014/2015 school year will receive the following salary increases:
- 2012/2013: 6% increase over their prior year’s salary
- 2013/2014: 3% increase over their prior year’s salary
- 2014/2015: increase based on the 2013/2014 average teacher salary increase
SOURCE: School District 304
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Ron Travis
4:26 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Many people haven't followed this like most who comment on here, can we be updated on if any of this changes the strike for Monday? Is it looking more like things are going to work out to avoid a strike.
Angela Kane
4:34 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Why do we boost a teacher's salary by 6% when they give notice of retirement? The TRS is in BAD shape and this practice only makes it tougher to actually be solvent. So give 6% as thank you? What happened to a nice party and a gold watch?
Brad Foerch
11:12 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
No offense Angela, but you are either misinformed or an idiot. I've examined the TRS finances and the fund is in the black--- and can sustain it's self for decades. It merely needs the money that teachers are putting in ( 9.4% of their pay) and the state's constitutionally required contribution. The fund doesn't need any more of your money-- so what's the problem? Would you rather have teachers staying on into their mid 60's/ Do you have any idea what that would cost??
Angela Kane
3:18 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
To Brad Foerch: ok, so much for civility. I guess your definition of 'idiot' is anyone who disagrees with you. How sad for you. Perhaps you should read this and the volumes of material written about how the TRS is underfunded and their returns are nowhere near what they ned to be to sustain itself with the crush of retirements. http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x1440921815/TRS-director-Retirees-might-have-to-take-COLA-cut
Also, you ASSume the State of Illinois wil properly fund the system. Duh, never gonna happen considering the state financial problems we have. It's obvious you are pro GEA and dismiss anyone who suggests the BOE should not cave to GEA demands is anti-teacher or other such tripe needs to really come visit the rest of us 'idiots' (as you call us) out here in REALVILLE. Oh ya, and then there's this: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-04/news/ct-edit-pension-20120404_1_pension-fund-pension-reforms-pension-benefits
Worried Parent
4:37 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Wow. Enough already. This is too much to give. It the teachers do not want this offer then bring on a strike. Do not bend another inch board. Stop the pension spikes.
Lisa P
4:38 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Aside from the Salary Study Group which is a great move, this is disappointing to see how much the BOE has given up. Is the pension spiking definitely over as of 2015?
marsha engle
4:42 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
What does this cost?
G.Ryan
5:26 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I don't believe it is a matter of how much this will cost as where will we get the FUNDS? This establishment is in DEBT and has no money. Why is the School Board negotitating like they do. But the monopolized bureaucracy union has millions perhaps they can give them a raise. They seem to have enough to share and fund the Democratic party politiicans.
Worried Parent
4:42 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
This from today's Daily Herald. It seems the same union bosses here are working there.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20121109/news/711099729/
Brad Foerch
11:15 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Oh for God's sake-- don't quote the EXTREMELY partisan D.H. They have their own anti- teacher agenda. If you are getting your info from these morons then good luck.
Sue J
4:52 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Write the BOE and tell them not to move one more inch. The teachers are playing on fear and wearing the BOE down. We cannot let this happen.
Brad Foerch
11:18 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Yes Sue, that's what teachers do-- play on fears? NOT!! They are the backbone of your society. Want loxer teacher's pay?-- then live in a nice rural, backwards community. So move!!
Susie Dooberstein
5:06 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Oh boy - not good. Have the last few weeks been just an exercise in futility? We had/HAVE the opportunity to be a community that would not be swayed or bullied by the unions. Now, in the 11th hour we are going to give in? Please tell me exactly where the money we are offering is going to come from? DO NOT LET THEM WEAR YOU DOWN PLEASE! They have shown their true colors - our kids our not their priority and they have done a bang up job proving that. Board of Ed - please remember who elected you and make us proud! They are playing you like a well tuned fiddle. Be the leaders in this state and make us proud!
EnoughAlready
5:14 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Everyone PLEASE email the board and let them know the community wants the BOE to stop negotiating with bullies and stand strong!!!
board@geneva304.org
Susie Dooberstein
5:16 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
And why have we not given thought to our OWN negotiator? Now that would be money well spent!
Rich Hayhurst
5:24 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I would prefer a 1 year contract. No one can predict whether or not we will drift back into recession over the next 18 months, and we shouldn't be placing bets and offering pay raises for 2014 and 2015 until the economy, and private sector incomes show some stability.
Garin Bergman
8:25 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I agree with Rich's comment that a 1 year contract is fine for now. Set that up and continue to negotiate. A three year contract in this day & age is too long given too many unknowns.
Rich Hayhurst
10:49 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
A wise old businessman that I knew advised me one time, that it was foolish to sell your tomorrows, for peace today. We can revisit this next spring, or summer. In fact I was told tonight, by a St. Charles middle school educator, that short term contracts have been the status quo in St. Charles for several years now.
Bruce
5:28 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
This is already too generous. I agree, no pension spiking! On the other hand, with teacher pensions only 43% funded and state pensions $82 billion underfunded its not like they'd ever get it anyway......
Susie Dooberstein
5:29 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
So if we are giving in (be it slowly) to their demands - why is ABC 7 still sitting at GMS S as I type this? Will there be a strike on Monday morning?
Jim
5:32 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Wow! After all this the board caved in, it appears! Just as I was singing their praises. Time to vote Grosso and his crew out!! When's the next election?? Too bad no one in this town has a back bone!!!
Cody
5:42 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
First off, shame on the teachers for walking out. With that said, I think I can see why they did walk. It is the wording of the contract. The BOE is trying to do away with the step and lane, but still willing to give the teachers the money. If this is the only sticking point, the BOE needs to change the wording if they plan to review the compensation plan in the future. It isn't going to cost us any more money to do this. I think it is all egos at this point and to see who blinks first. In my opinion, I think they should cut the value of each square from 2.5% to 1.5% and move on.
Bob McQuillan
5:51 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Lets not be so quick to say the BOE is giving up too much. It appears that the major objective has been accomplished - salary freeze for next year except those who announced retirement or those taking graduate classes. There are 57 teachers, 15% of the total staff, who have announced retirement so once they retire, new teachers will be hired at a lower salary. For those that haven't announced intent to retire, they must do so sometime this year and will be compensated less than the previous contract and have only three years to retire. This will cause some to retire because all spiking ends 2014-15. Maybe we have as many as 80 teachers retire within 3 years. This opens opportunities for new teachers and lowers our overall salary expenses.
Multiple lane advancement has been eliminated except for 8 teachers in 2013-14. That is a huge savings over what is happening today.
It is easy to sit in our easy chairs and say the BOE has given up to much but keep in mind, this offer would not have been possible unless this BOE stood together and said "the times they are a changing." Previous boards would have dug us farther in debt and we would not have even known it. This board's actions have opened the eyes of taxpayers as to how a teachers contract is structured. Whoever is on the board in 2014-15 will benefit from the path this board has blazed.
The ball is now in the GEA's hands, if they don't accept what the BOE has offered, I think the BOE should stay home Sunday.
John
6:37 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
It is easy to second guess the board. They are sitting through session after session, getting double-teamed by the GEA and IEA - and doing it as volunteers!
My hat is off to them.
The pension spike is an ugly thing - but it may be a necessary evil to lure the old, bloated, union shovel-leaners to take their fat pensions and leave.
I also agree that the board should say - 'we have put a fair offer on the table, we are happy to listen, but here will be no further concessions.'
Thanks again Board.
Geneva Vikings
6:56 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
@ Bob McQuillan I agree, the BOE has given an offer and the GEA has not accepted. After all of this it should be Take it or Leave it...no need for the BOE to negotiate, let them stay home and enjoy the day. Teachers - you should decide if you will continue to teach or go on strike, and if you strike, we should replace you. We are FED UP!
Lisa R
6:03 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I just emailed the BOE. How about all of you? I'm really not sure that they follow the Patch comments and they need to know how we feel!
Sue J
8:08 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Yes, I emailed them too. Please everyone email to make no more concessions!
Tom Fortune
7:41 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
I emailed them too! Step & Lane!
Transplant to IL
6:18 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
How can this offer still not be enough? I don't understand. What exactly do you want, GEA? The offer from Oct. 26 was generous. This one more so. You have an agreement for this year. Why do you insist on a strike? Can't you keep teaching while the remainder is worked out? Although I agree that a one-year contract makes more sense. You really do not care about the kids. That is crystal clear. Nor do you care about the parents who have generously given their time and money to help anytime the call went out. I for one will find other avenues to make a difference in the lives of Geneva kids. It won't be through anything that benefits the teachers though. All this talk of no respect? You had it and you trampled it. Strike if you must. It's your right. But know that Geneva is more than its teachers.
Lisa R
7:16 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Three cheers!!!
Avett Green
5:49 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Very nicely put, Transplant! Thank you.
Brad Foerch
11:20 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Let me get this straight-- you think a pay raise BELOW inflation is a raise? Oh and wait- 1 year they get NO raise! AND you take away benefits. Gee, I can't see why the teachers aren't jumping for joy.
MattG
6:27 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Bring in replacements. For way, way too long every time the teachers unions say they want a raise it is always "for the children". For the children - my _ _ _!!
It's about the money, period. Too many have been sucked into this false argument about "for the children".
When the Regional Board of Education has tons of resumes, that tells me that there are a lot of people that think Geneva would be a pretty darn good place to work. Let's give them the opportunity.
I'm also tired of hearing about "treating us as professionals". Really?? I'm a "professional" too. For my profession, I typically work about 50-60 hours a week, I get 2 weeks of vacation a year, I don't get a pension, I won't be able to retire until I'm 70 and I work all year round. When do I get to have three months off (oh, plus the teachers get vacation during the year on top of the 3 month vacation)? When do I get a pension? On top of all that - I promise you that it was harder to get through college and obtain my "profession" than any teacher.
I'm tired of these cry-babies and how everything is "for the children"
Tom Fortune
7:14 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
MattG...you had a choice to become a teacher. We're all sorry that you are so unhappy with your career choice. I hear there's a great program available at U of I. Until then.,,don't feel that every job needs to be comparable to yours. How do you know that your program was harder? Did you get a second degree in education? Is that the basis of your comparison?...or are you just making ASSumptions?
Are you also mad that cops get to carry a gun on the job and you don't? Are you upset that firefighters get to retire at an earlier age than you? According to you every job must match yours.....I'm sure elected BOE & the GEA will come to an agreement.
BeachBall22
8:15 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Tom, it seems to me that MattG is just asking the teachers to have a little perspective and join us all in REALVILLE (copyright @Angela). The teacher's union is asking for the sun, the moon, and the stars, and my ASSumption is that most of us in REALVILLE have had enough.
Sue J
8:20 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
BeachBall22 you shouldn't even waste your time on Tom. He doesn't live in REALVILLE.
MattG
9:13 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Tom,
I'm perfectly happy with my profession. I love it.
Since you seem incapable of making a rational point (and I'm ASSuming you are a teacher, which makes me even more concerned about my children's education), let's delve into things. My point was that I keep hearing from teachers that they want to be recognized as professionals. Most professionals (engineers, accountants, attorneys, doctors - I'm one of those) work the kind of hours that I mentioned. If you want to be a "professional", work the kind of hours that we do.
How do I know my program was harder? Well, I dated several elementary ed majors in college. While I was taking Differential Equations, Physics, and Thermodynamics, my girlfriend had a semester long course on how to operate audio-visual equipment and the hardest "science" course she took was "Man's Physical World", where they talked about things I learned as an 8th grader.
Look - There are tons of teachers in Geneva that I was very happy with and they have done a great job teaching my children. When the argument goes to "we aren't being respected as professionals - PAY US", then I get a burr in my saddle.
Act like professionals and then you'll get some respect.
Geneva Vikings
7:23 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
According to the Daily Herald...“We’re just encouraged that they did agree to meet with us on the weekend,” GEA President Carol Young said.they were willing to agree to a freeze in the first year in exchange for increases in the second and third year “that kind of made up for that.” So the bottom line is the GEA will take a pay freeze year one as long as they get it all back the following years? GET LOST!
Geneva Mom
8:25 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Hey MattG! Last time I checked, Americans are free to choose their careers. Too bad yours must suck so! Was it that your grades were just mediocre or was it that you just don't come off that well in interviews or...?Whatever the problem is, it must be such a drag to hate your life so much that you have to take it out on others. One thing Geneva teachers will not accept is being bullied by people like you! That's one of the reasons Geneva teachers are so good at teaching our children respect and tolerance. Matt, you really do need to go back to school(preferably a Geneva school) maybe the Geneva teachers can begin an Adult education program entitled Basic Civility..
Sue J
8:32 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Bullied, really? You must be another one looking at everything through your teacher glasses.
The GEA is bullying the community to give them more money, more sick days, pension spiking and on and on.
BeachBall22
8:34 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I love this! A Geneva teacher being uncivil and preaching about civility...probably someone on the negotiating team, which explains absolutely everything.
MattG
9:17 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Hey - whatever your name is
Does "Basic Civility" include showing up in mass at School Board meetings and walking out on our children?
My grades were pretty good thank you. My job is great. I do quite well.
BTW - One thing Geneva TAXPAYERS (ya know, those people who pay the taxes that you are demanding more of) won't accept is being bullied. Go ahead and walk out - you can be replaced. At this point I would welcome it.
Tom Fortune
7:24 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Good one Momof4. Matt thinks that he was hired to make decisions about how much teachers get paid. He probably meets with the mayor and tells him how much Geneva police officers and Geneva firefighters should get paid and it better not be more than he gets paid.
And MattG...how many strikes have there been where teachers have been replaced? The teachers have been working without a contract since August. They have been negotiating since February. The board has been playing games and some board members have done some unethical things out in the community related to the negotiations. And don't worry about the teachers "walking out on your children"...they will be just fine....no harm will come to them....you make it sound that they will be cowering in a corner trembling....I'm sure they will be just fine watching iCarly & Spongebob...after the strike, every day will be made up. They will not miss one day of classroom instruction.
Hopefully a compromise can be made on Sunday. Then you can focus on bashing others in the community that have it better than you.
Garin Bergman
8:51 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I'm more than a little disappointed that we are still offering a 6% raise for those retiring. That being said, I've spoken with the Lake Forest high school president of the BOE and other district's BOE. One thing that can limit the time and impact of the teacher's strike is to cut off the benefits the teachers receive first thing Monday morning. If they strike, they are no longer employees and we shouldn't continue to pay their benefits.
The union has probably told the teachers that for every day the teachers strike it doesn't matter, the union will negotiate that the teachers get paid for the days off. The BOE should be ready to tell the union there is no back pay.
In terms of replacement teachers, it's highly unlikely local substitutes/non-working certified teachers in the area would cross the picket line. If they do, they would never work in our district, which is really unfortunate. If replacements are used they would come from a good distance away, without a plan and won't know the kids.
In regards to getting student days to count, there needs to be the things mentioned previously in other articles: 50% of students attending school, certified teachers and teaching in math, science, history and language arts. However, even then the Illinois Education Association doesn't want to give credit saying its a political situation and if they do it for one school, they have to do it for all schools. Lake Forest is currently fighting this.
Geneva, it's time.
Garin Bergman
9:01 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Lake Forest also took an idea from a neighboring school district and offered career dimension days during the strike. People in the community from police officers to investment bankers came in to talk about what they do for a living. These days counted as school days. BOE, please take notice.
I've also spoken to the BOE of the Douglas County schools in Colorado about their situation. Apparently one union wanted to negotiate for all the teachers but there was more than one union involved. The main union decided not to continue discussions which led the way to compensation change.
The Douglas County school system put in performance based pay for their teachers. While initially it was piloted by new hires and some seasoned teachers, the school district thinks it has the support from the remaining teachers. However, the Douglas County schools are taking the approach that they will pay for good, talented teachers. As such, they expect to compete with college type professors in terms of pay and expect that in some sense, the overall compensation could increase because they want the best teachers.
The school board needs to hear from the residents of the school district. Email, call or stop them on the streets.
Ellie
9:05 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
Offering the 6% raise for those retiring will cost us more in the future as it increases pension payouts over the life of the teacher. I don't like this concession at all.
desi
11:05 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I don't like it either - but it may be worth the cost just to clean the overpaid deadwood out of the system.
The ones who are just in it for the money will jump on that pension spike like a pig on an afterbirth
Thomas
9:24 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
This is my twentieth year in education, and I would like to share that I believe that the Board of Education's offer is more than generous. I work with teachers throughout the Chicagoland area (city and suburbs) and have children in Geneva District 304 schools. Exceptional school facilities, attractive salaries, and solid families all make Geneva District 304 one of the most desirable districts for teacher applicants. Literally thousands of outstanding applicants would be ready for interviews if opportunities in District 304 arose. I speak from experience. Openings in districts with much less to offer than Geneva District 304 receive--on average--approximately 400 to 1,000 applications per opening. In all grade levels and content areas with the exception of physics and chemistry, there is a great suplus of applicants. Geneva District 304 would attract not only a large group of applicants but also applicants of very high quality. The GEA must be aware of this. Moreover, the GEA should be aware that many of the residents of the community have dealt with job losses and declining salaries and commissions. Many residents are forced to work harder and cut back. This is not the time to demand increased salaries. With the unfunded pension liabilities in Illinois, this is not the time to ask for a "retirement package bump." It might come as a surprise to many teachers, but the community will be able to distinguish between this negotiation and respecting and valuing education.
Sherry
3:49 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
@Thomas, my sentiments exactly.
Worried Parent
7:32 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
If the teachers strike they will lose my respect for years to come. The offer on the table is more than fair. I do not understand how anyone can justify the pension spike. It is as close to fraud as you can get. Strike or don't. Make a decision so the rest of us can go on with our lives.
Tom Fortune
7:39 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Funny...I've been at several school events since the negotiations became such a hot topic. I have not seen one parent act in a way that would show that they no longer respect teachers...easy to say while sitting behind your computer screen.
I guess you can really show them around Christmas time when you refuse to chip in for a gift. Those darn teachers don't deserve a gift...I don't get a gift were I work in the private sector....Right?
Beth Ward
8:11 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom, it is clear to everyone here that you are an administrator/teacher or spouse of a negotiator ...you can't resist telling us details that only an insider would know.
And I've said it before, parents are rightfully afraid to let teachers know how they feel. It will be taken out on thier kids...I've seen it firsthand. I can speak freely and use my own name because I no longer have children in the district.
And here's a news flash...we are ALL sitting behind a computer screen and some of us even use our own name.
From now on, I'm calling you Pot.
You are advocating for educators, but your credibility is lacking when you misuse "here/hear...where/were...their/there.
Thomas
8:20 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Beth,
I am confused is "their" spelled "thier" like you spelled it in the middle of your post, or "their" like you spelled it at the end of your post? "There" but for the grace of God......
Tom Fortune
8:58 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Really Beth...that's all you have? Stop being so unhappy. I'm so glad that the district I'm in values educators and doesn't play games like this BOE does. See you at Monday's meeting? And yes...that's my real name...I'm not trying to hide from a bunch of complainers...I may just take a few days off to make hot chocolate for the teachers if they strike.
Remember...it takes 43 muscles to frown but only 17 to smile...Now get that look off your face and smile because your school district is full of outstanding teachers!
Worried Parent
7:39 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
And by the way Tom . Most of the rest of the real world " works without a contract" all the time. I don't care that teachers are still showing up without one, we do it every day. A contract is just another security blanket teachers seem to forget about. Job security the rest of us do not have. But why point out facts. This is the time we live in. I want mine and I don't care how I get it as long as someone else pays for it. What a great example our teachers are.
Worried Parent
7:45 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom I cannot say what I want to most of my children's teachers because you know as we'll as I do that my children would pay the price. It is my belief that many parents remain anonymous for that very reason. The GEA behavior to date gives me no reason to think otherwise
Tom Fortune
7:57 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Give me a break! You're afraid to say anything but not on a blog...way to hide behind
your kids.
Worried Parent
8:00 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
It is the reality of the situation.
Linda Biesecker
7:50 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Let me share an incident that happened to me yesterday. At around 10:30 a.m., I received a mass email from my son's high school math teacher stating that there would be a quiz on Monday. I replied at around 11:45 a.m., questioning whether this would be really be so considering the GEA's press release notifying us of a strike on Monday. No response from the teacher as of yet. At around 12:30 p.m., my husband (who had also gotten the original email) received a second mass email from him that read "Due to the current news our section 6.1-6.4 Quiz that is scheduled for Monday will be postponed to the day after school resumes."
I did not ask to be removed from his email notification list, yet it appears that I was taken off following my question. For those of you who have said that teachers would never take this issue out on anyone, can you please spin this another way for me? That's the only explanation I have for this childish behavior.
Tom Fortune
7:59 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
It must be a conspiracy against you! Call Jeff Ward Immediately! He must investigate!
Really?
Linda Biesecker
8:04 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Thanks Tom. That makes it ever so clear.
Sue J
8:15 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Linda please don't waste you time on Tom. He is someone that does not live in REALVILLE. He claims that he is an administrator from another district that is supposedly helping Geneva with the negotiations. I suspect that he is a teacher that is so scared of the elimination of step and lane because then he may have to put effort into his work like everyone else in REALVILLE.
Avett Green
3:25 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom, don't you have some leaves to rake or something?
Beth Ward
3:50 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Elaine, Tom doesn't need any leaves raked...I just drove past his house and he's
all taken care of.
Beth Ward
8:38 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom...so glad you caught that misspelling; more proof to me that you are a teacher and a negotiator. I hope everyone can take that into account from now on when they read your comments...the voice of the union...Tom Fortune (aka: Pot).
Thomas
9:46 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Beth,
What a simple world we live in that allow us to accurately identify someone as a teacher and a negotiator just because they share a different viewpoint. Is that REALVILLE?
Thomas
9:51 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Beth,
The point of acknowledging the spelling error was less of a comment on your composition skills but more to highlight your "hypocrisy"
Jason
8:54 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Is anyone really surprised the BOE has caved?
Tom Fortune
9:02 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
No, not surprised...because they know that they are playing games. When you say early on that you will not get rid on step & lane and then try to do just that months later....not really good faith when you play games like that...
Silence Dogood
2:42 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom, it isn't necessarily a bad faith issue; maybe less a case of playing games, than an acknowledgement that sometimes situations change, sometimes things are discovered that necessitate an adjustment to earlier assurances. Here, 3 cases in point:
“What I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill that I strongly support and that I’m promoting. And I want to move that forward as quickly as possible.” — Obama, May 28, 2008
“Guantánamo will be closed no later than one year from now.”— Obama, Jan. 22, 2009
“Today, I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office.” — Obama, Feb. 23, 2009
Oh, wait my mistake, I jumped the gun on the 3rd one - there's still about 2 months left to pull that off.
Rob T
9:55 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The BOE is doing a good job. In any negotiation there has to be give and take, or there will never be a resolution.
The freeze in the first year is good. Sunsetting the pension spiking by the end of the contract is great news. Reductions in health care contribs and tuition payments is also a good step forward.
Unfortunately, until a solid-fair compensation plan can be fully fleshed out, there isn't a good answer to Step&Lane in the short term. When Geneva has a workable plan, that can then be implemented at the next contract in three years.
Whether we like it or not, everything needs to be done in phases. That is the only way to be fair to all parties involved.
Lml-LLL
11:22 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The pension element is a throw-back to Happy Days. Pensions for life have contributed to the downfall of huge companies and done damage to previously desirable communities. It is generally true that we need less discretionary income in retirement. Why would we want to burden the young who need money to raise children by a union's desire to make Geneva a test case? The increase in pension -- will it offset the increase in property taxes for the retired educators and chase the common man out?
Grace F
11:33 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Holy generous offer!!! Not sure why the BOE feels compelled to show up on Sunday. Enough is enough. Spend the time lining up replacements.
Virginia Miller
12:20 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
As a tax payer I object strongly to the idea of a "retirement plan" that includes salary bumps for the sole purpose of increasing the retirement benefit. A salary increase should be for a reason - excellent teaching, more education (which should improve teaching skills), added duties like coaching. It is unconscionable to give a salary increase without some added value! Teachers, can you look other tax payers in the eye and say, "I gave notice of retirement plans, therefore I deserve 6% more."
Fed up
12:21 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The teachers were informed that all benefits will be terminated as soon as they strike. All equipment including computers must be surrendered. They will not be allowed on the school grounds so all personal items must be removed. I've got to believe that many of the teachers would cross the picket line soon after a strike, especially the ones making the higher salaries. I applaud the efforts of the Board. The offer put before the teachers is MORE than fair given the economy. If the teachers do not accept the offer, I encourage them to strike, and encourage the Board to find qualified replacements.....they are out there. The GEA has agreed to the year one offer and it would be political suicide for the teachers to strike given that fact nothing would change until next year anyway. I'm tired of the strong arm tactics of the Union. Teachers need to wake up and see that they are just pawns for the union henchmen.
Max
1:17 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
But they are such well-fed pawns, why would they bite the hand that fills their dish?
They don't care where the kibble comes from, as long as all of the litter have full tummies, from the young Alpha to the aspiring runt.
Virginia Miller
12:22 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
BOE please take back any offer of salary increases just because of a retirement plan.
Fed up
12:31 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The current pension spiking is to encourage the extremely high paid teachers to retire and replacing them with a 50k teacher, saving money over time. Those are not increases to what other teachers get for that year, they are just a flat raise. While I do not agree with spiking at all, they had some and it seems to make sense in this case...especially with the limited period on it.
Max
12:48 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
As Geneva continues to pay homage to the GreedEA, it's time to start researching other communities who might have enough backbone to control their teachers rather than letting their teachers control the community.
Home values are down now, but they are going to go lower as more potential buyers become aware of our suicidal descent into property tax hell. The BoE had a chance to stop the IEA in its tracks here in Geneva, and they have thrown that chance away.
But what should one expect from a Board still carrying members who were part of the "Big Lie" vote for building unnecessary schools?
Bill
12:57 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Hoo needz teachars any weigh} Eye say wee shood fire them'al? No teachar ever tout me nothin'!
Bill
1:01 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
I love it! Last week, everyone was cheering on the BOE. Go board! Stick it to those teachers!
Now, people don't like the BOE's offer, so everyone wants to know what the heck the board is thinking, fire them all! I'm moving from Geneva!
I think it is becoming pretty obvious where the problem lies, and it isn't with the BOE or the teachers, it is with the stuck up Geneva citizens who think everyone should bend to their every whim.
Max
1:16 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Yes, just like those rabble-rousers who insist on voting.
Fed up
1:12 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Good bye Bill
Beth Ward
3:16 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
So we have a first year contract and a joint Salary Study Group. Now is the time for the GEA negotiators to tell the IEA goons to stop messing with Geneva. Do none of those people have a clue to the damage they've done here? Do they stand for anything besides money?
Stop the bleeding now, GEA, and leave the teachers with a little dignity for parent/teacher conferences.
Susan
5:37 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
It was finally the BOE’s turn to take a beating in the Patch comments. All the GEA had to do was sit back and watch the tides turn. But that would be too logical. Instead, the GEA has decided to shoot itself in the foot again. I just received an email directly from the GEA – wait until that press release comes out. I think all hell may just break loose.
Grace F
6:26 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Teachers - I think you are victims too.
"Employees who no longer want a union to represent them — whether it's because the union is undemocratic, corrupt, violent, or just plain inept — are entitled to seek an election to determine if a majority of their coworkers want to drop the union. Such elections, which are conducted by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), are known as “decertification elections.”
Employees who want to vote a union out must circulate a petition calling for a decertification election. A sample petition is available below. They should not seek help from their employer, because the union can then complain that an unfair labor practice has tainted the election. Employees may take advantage of outside assistance, though. Signatures should be collected on non-work time and in non-work areas. It is important that the names of the union and the company be filled in before any signatures are collected."
Tom Fortune
7:08 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
GraceF...you're crazy if you think that teachers would turn on their Union. It would never happen. The GEA has the back of every teacher in the district so the BOE or the administration plays by the rules. Without their Union, the teachers would not have legal representation on their side. Again...No way it would happen. Nice try....teachers are smarter than your attempt to separate them.
That's why it says "United......we teach". Key word...United...
Grace F
6:26 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
It doesn't matter why the employees are dissatisfied. But there are some timing issues that are important. The NLRB has a rule that a new union is given one year to represent the workers before a decertification election can be held. Unions that have already negotiated a contract for employees can usually be subjected to a decertification election near the expiration of the contract. Therefore, workers with an old union should start their decertification drive a few months prior to the expiration of their contract to be sure they don't miss their window of opportunity.
If at least 30 percent of the workers in the bargaining unit sign the petition, then it must be sent to the NLRB's closest regional office, along with a cover sheet, NLRB Form 502. Once the petitions have been received and validated, the NLRB will set a date for the decertification election, usually about 60 days in the future. Individuals on both sides may campaign to sway the employees. When the vote is held, if a majority of the workers who participate favor decertifying the union, or if the vote results in a tie, then the NLRB will officially remove the union's recognition as the bargaining representative of the workers.
Rob T
7:08 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The teachers are NOT going to throw away their union. Not going to happen. Despite what we think about our favorite teachers -they are the union. At any point in time the the members felt that Carol Young was not acting in their best interests, they would have stopped their current course of action. There is no separation between teacher and GEA. If there was we have heard it by now.
That being said, the BOE is doing the best that they can in a really unballanced situation. A one year pay freeze, phasing out pension spiking, trying to get teachers to pay some of their fair share- and I don't mean making non-union staff pay union dues!
While many of you here suddenly feel that the BOE is selling out- THEY ARE NOT. They are working in a flawed system - a system that has been flawed in Illinois for years- to bring our debt under control. It won't be painless, to anyone.
G.Ryan
9:19 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
I am curious however, why do they have to have a three year contract? Why not go with a one year contract then settle the other years at a later date. As it seems they all could use a break. It is getting very heated almost like a divorce contract and a break may just be the solution.
Grace F
7:11 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
i agree with you Rob T. Wishful thinking, I know.
Karen
7:14 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Anyone see this?
http://www.kcchronicle.com/2012/11/10/d304-teachers-file-unfair-labor-practice-bargaining-continues-sunday/am587r3/
Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Persei 8
7:38 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
No, but I did see this.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/39987/leprechauns-in-alabama
Sue J
7:40 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
In light of this new development please email the BOE and tell them to cancel tomorrow's negotiation session. The union president and members/followers have lost their mind.
Rob T
7:21 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
As Jeff Ward pointed out, this is a negotiation. Even if the GEA refuses to negotiate in good faith- say one thing - do another. Even if the BOE isn't playing the game the way the GEA wants- Roll over and play dead- they are working for Geneva Taxpayers best interests. That is why the spiking will stop at the end of the next contract, if the GEA has brains enough to sign it.
As Tom Fortune keeps pointing out, teachers only know Step and Lane. Getting them to change overnite will be virtually impossible.
As Bob M has pointed out. There are a hell of a lot bigger issues facing our school district than this teacher contract. We ALL- parents/residents/teachers/school administration- better get are acts in gear and work together to solve our collective financial problems.
Rob T
7:45 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Regarding the GEA's new tactic....suing the BOE,
If you are in a union and you go on strike...
Do you really think your employer is going to pay you while you are striking against them?
Do you think your employer is going to continue covering your insurance while you are striking against them?
Do you think your employer has to abide by any agreement with YOU, when you are breaking your agreement with them?
Does the employer even have the responsibility to advise the employees of what they will lose if they strike? Or is that just common courtesy to let them know?
Fed up
8:51 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Sue J. I just emailed the Board ...again. I applaud their effort but enough is enough. Stop negotiating with an insincere, radical, and out of control union.
EnoughAlready
8:59 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
If you have never emailed the board, now is the time!
board@geneva304.org
Tom Fortune
9:12 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
I agree with you!!! I'm going to email the BOE and tell them to keep Step & Lane like they promised!!! I will send out an email blast and post on Twitter & Facebook to encourage people to do the same!
board@geneva304.org
Geneva Vikings
9:02 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
I too am emailing the board now. I have had it with the GEAs tactics. Please BOE pull your contract and stop negotiating with Carol Young and her get rich quick retirement plan.
Ann
9:08 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
From what I've read, sending your child to school will support the Board, correct? If the school maintains at least 50% attendance and offers some amount of core curriculum the school day should count and the teachers will not have the ability to make up the pay. Having our children attend class will show our support of the Board and prevent the tax payers from having to pay substitutes for the strike days, then re-paying the teachers as well as additional pay for the ancillary staff if the days have to be made up at the end of the school year.
Tom Fortune
9:14 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The days will not count...
Sal
8:12 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
At this point - I don't think the days will count. If the teachers stay out, are replaced and core curriculum classes are provided - they will count.
Geneva Vikings
9:14 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Can anyone tell me where and what time the meeting will take place tomorrow? I want to be there to show the board my support.
Worried Parent
9:30 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Tom nothing is promised beyond the length of the contract. Please board pull the last offer and let the teachers stand in the rain and snow. They allowed their union leaders to put them in their current predicament. The GEA is motivated fully by greed. Unless they get theirs they do not care about the students.
Beth Ward
9:30 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
The BOE can't simply stop negotiating or remove offers...it's unfair labor practice. The Goliath of a union has a team of lawyers that will jump at the chance to file a suit - as we now see.
My guess is that the union is hoping the public will turn on BOE because they have to, by law, show good faith and make moves towards a compromise. They've underestimated an informed public.
Ann is dead on...if you send your kids and make it an attendance day, then the teachers lose that day of pay. THAT is the way to show your support. Let the school know you're attending and send your children to school. What a tale they
will have to tell. It would make a fabulous college application essay!!!
Lisa P
9:54 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Read some of these comments; you will see it's not just the union, but a group of teachers out of touch with reality. A different planet, actually...
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/468998143152839/?fref=ts
Kathy
8:30 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012
This is just a group started by a former GHS student who's mother is a teacher here. She invited all of her friends to join, most of whom are away at college right now, and don't even know what the situation is here. They really don't care, all they know is that she invited them to a group and they joined because she's their friend.
Grace F
10:51 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
As many have stated - time to get informed about the tax levy & the unions.
http://www.facebook.com/TeachersUnionExposed?ref=ts
Steve
11:31 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Did I hear correctly? They met all day and settled? I heard someone saying this. Anyone can confirm?
Steve
11:38 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012
Nevermind. I heard wrong. They are meeting tomorrow? Ugh. JUST COMPROMISE!!!
Geneva Vikings
12:22 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Board...Your offer is more than fair. GEA take it of leave it...or better yet...Dear Board, Please pull your offer and let's get some teachers that want to teach.
Geneva Mom
1:47 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
I live in this community, pay my taxes, am not a teacher, but still wish to see my neighbors act with empathy and civility. Am I just dreaming?
Jack
2:50 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Do you define civility as including the extortion of unearned compensation from your employers/neighbors?
Alias McFly
3:28 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Mark Twain had something to say about this whole matter over 100 years ago... just Google, "What did Mark Twain have to say about School Boards." your first result should do it! Hmmm maybe that's what some of his works were banned...
Kathy
3:42 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
The quote that seems more relevant to me the one where he said "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living..."
Jeff Ward
3:37 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Dear Readers,
In the event that tonight's talks don't bear non-strike fruit, I will endeavor to let you know on www.thefirstward.net as soon as I know.
You can see my latest post on this ongoing story here:
http://thefirstward.net/2012/11/11/i-still-say-theyre-striking-but-ill-do-my-best-to-keep-you-informed/
Jeff
Angela Kane
3:39 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Thank you Jeff.
Alias McFly
4:02 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Homeostasis is perhaps the best tendency I see coming from certain know-all's comments that I fear the only problem I have is which ward they came out of?
Alias McFly
4:21 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Geneva Vikings, Lisa P. and others in their union, band or group please run for the Bored... but never ever teach especially your own children.
Jeff Ward
4:23 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
What? If you're a GHS graduate, I'd consider asking for a refund on those English classes.
Alias McFly
7:57 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Lighten up Jeffery...
Geneva Vikings
5:37 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Thanks for the humor Jeff! @McFly...of course you don't want me to teach my children...you probably already do! And heaven forbid that I teach them about hard work, dedication and responsibility when there are much better options like you showing them greed and selfishness.
Alias McFly
7:58 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Go back to Switzerland You are not from Geneva, Illinois!
Geneva Vikings
8:14 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
@Julie...I'm all for the board standing strong. I was responding to McFly suggesting that I never teach my children.
Julie
8:17 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
@ Geneva Vikings..sorry about that! My bad.
Geneva Vikings
8:30 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
@Julie No problem, thanks!
Jeff Ward
5:41 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Dear Geneva,
I'm not going one way or the other with McFly, I just don't know what the hell they're trying to say!
Jeff
Geneva Vikings
5:53 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
@Jeff...understood. But your comment made me smirk! Any word on the latest negotiations?
Alias McFly
7:59 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Why are you such a hateful person?
Geneva Vikings
8:07 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Be nice McFly...I have not been disrespectful toward you.
Jeff Ward
6:12 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Dear Geneva,
First, let me be clear that there is no direct word. They're playing this one pretty close to the vest.
But if I had to apply a word to the proceedings thus far it would be "pessimistic."
What that means is, for now, I'll stick by my blog (www.thefirstward.net) 90 percent strike odds. Of course, one minor breakthrough and that could all change.
I'll keep you posted.
Jeff
Alias McFly
8:53 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Kathy... that quote you presented certainly pertains to you.. Life owes you more than others I see... why must you miss-quote a quote... as to make it so Nebulous as to suit your hatred? BTW Mark Twain had nothing but praise for teachers...
Alias McFly
8:59 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Geneva Vikings the one that meant no disrespect... please go stang in front of a mirror and read your previous posts and ask yourself why your heart is full of such hatred...signed, I thought we lived in the same town?
Alias McFly
9:16 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Jeff, I'm afraid your wishy washy comments have lost you a great majority of readers as has the Batch or Scratch, Patch, whatever, A good cub reporter finds ways to obtain false; headlines, pictures, information, lies, miss-quotes, hear say, ignorance and on and on... why do you persist in your obvious antics and need to be on exhibit? Lawsuits only come to be when the two sides can no longer understand each other and yes there seems to be a difference of opinion and your peanut gallery needs to hush up and simply sit back and LEARN something from this very unfortunate, ridiculous, feudal, waste of all our students love for learning. What does anyone gain from being so hateful?
Jeff Ward
9:23 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Not that I really care, but what the heck are you talking about? And might I suggest easing up on the wine.
Worried Parent
9:27 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
McFly you are doing a great job proving the point that the GEA has lost all touch with reality. And your spin is giving me a chuckle, please continue. Waiting for the crash is fun to watch.
Alias McFly
9:28 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
Wise up Jeffery... take your own advice...
Worried Parent
9:31 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
And McFly, one more thing, I think Jeff will have many more new readers following all this than the 400 teachers who will all say they will not read his work( but we all know they still will).
Alias McFly
9:47 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
As Jeffery says "Worried" have some more wine... but might I suggest if you when to church today that you reflect on your own values, those of your children and stop your hatred... and ask yourself...do I really woory about my children or myself?
Alias McFly
9:50 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
In my own defense I must admit to a faulty keyboard... typing skills and type o's butt as others have pointed out... I truly got no learn'n
Angela Kane
10:10 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
"Illinois’ U6 rate also exposes the state’s dire situation. Illinois’ 582,000 unemployment figure doesn’t include an estimated 400,000 who are underemployed and the nearly 100,000 who have stopped looking for work. At 16.3 percent, Illinois’ U6 rate means that nearly 1.1 million people are unemployed or underemployed." http://illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=5205
This is the real situation in our state. Maybe our teachers need to take a step back and gain some perspective on what our economy is REALLY like.
Angela Kane
10:12 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012
According to CBS 2 they're still over at the middle school talking. Give it up. They want to strike. BOE--do not give one more inch.
Alias McFly
12:30 am on Monday, November 12, 2012
Angela, I believe you quote those statistics correctly... in fact I am among those numbers as I think someone you know may be... for three dollars a month I would like to think that even in our hard financial times our children may still get the type of education you may never give them again... teachers have stepped back... have you? Find it in your anger to support your children's education and not take away from it... the facts are there for all that care to see the truth harness your hatred as it is directed toward the wrong side of the force. Go ahead Angela work with the teacher that is trying to help your child... learn the facts!!!!